TOM CREAN FIRED

[Trish]

Damn Treesh.... you're hard core! I figured you would give coach a break at least until we lost lol.

 

 

Crean has impressed me with this season. I'm not saying give him an extension, but he's earned my respect back. 

 

Unless we lose in the first weekend of the dance, I don't mind Tommy coming back (Unless Brad is available). 

 

This team is too good to lose in the first weekend, let alone the second weekend. 

[jmsgws]

Are folks going to give credit to Crean and publicly apologize on the forum as they have been so quick to trash him if this team makes a run???

 

I think Crean has done a superb job of getting the players to buy into his defensive philosophy and the offense is firing on all cylinders.. I can't remember many IU teams in the last 20 years to go into the B1G Tourney with so much momentum. I like the direction this team is headed. I'm along for the ride. 

People have been giving Crean credit for the turn around in the team this year.  There is no reason for an apology. 

Back in the day when I was a sales manager, I had to fire people because of highs and lows.  This is where Crean is right now.

Many of us want consistency; we want high end consistency, but we still want consistency.  The only way Crean, at this point, will be able to win me over completely is to have multiple successful years.  So far he has one good year, twobad years , and then another good year.  If you are going to have the highs and lows that Crean has, then those good years had better be GREAT years.  and so far that hasn't happened.

[mdn82]

As has been said stop trolling or its vacation time through the tournament.

Edit: the person this is to knows who they are.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

People have been giving Crean credit for the turn around in the team this year.  There is no reason for an apology. 

Back in the day when I was a sales manager, I had to fire people because of highs and lows.  This is where Crean is right now.

Many of us want consistency; we want high end consistency, but we still want consistency.  The only way Crean, at this point, will be able to win me over completely is to have multiple successful years.  So far he has one good year, two or three bad years, and then another good year.  If you are going to have the highs and lows that Crean has, then those good years had better be GREAT years.  and so far that hasn't happened.

If we're tracking, I'd argue three good years (11-12, 12-13, 15-16) and two bad/disappointing years (13-14.14-15), plus his first three years however you want to categorize those.

 

I think, logically, the fallout in 13-14 made sense. We lost four starters, four 1,000 point players, two lottery picks, etc., but missing the Tournament is never acceptable. 

 

I believe that had the off-the-court issues not occured, there would never have been a fire Tom Crean movelment. 2014-2015 was definitely disappointing, but was an improvement year-over-year. The unacceptable 2013-2014 season results, failed drug tests, and legal issues built up a pile of dynamite. The Holt-Davis car accident lit the fuse.

 

If we make at least the Sweet Sixteen this year, I'd argue we've seen pretty consistent results over the past five years. I'd like to see an Elite 8 this year though. This team is Elite 8 worthy and has a shot at the Final Four, but I really can't see us progressing past the Final Four with our defense, despite the vast improvement since December.

[jmsgws]

Most people seem to throw out Crean's first three years.  I guess I am a bit of Bas$^#(d  so I only throw out his first 2.  He should have been able to have a decent record in year 3 IMO.  

Throwing out the first two means he is batting .500 in good years vs disappointing years.  (again that is only my opinion.)  To me, though it still comes down to the fact that his good years are not good enough to outweigh the bad.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Most people seem to throw out Crean's first three years.  I guess I am a bit of Bas$^#(d  so I only throw out his first 2.  He should have been able to have a decent record in year 3 IMO.  

Throwing out the first two means he is batting .500 in good years vs disappointing years.  (again that is only my opinion.)  To me, though it still comes down to the fact that his good years are not good enough to outweigh the bad.

 

Terri Moren didn't exactly inherit an all-star squad and look what she's done in 2 years.  Certainly, what CTC inherited was worse, but Moren lost veteran players and recruits who de-committed and still she's done an outstanding job in just her second year.

[Uspshoosier]

Most people seem to throw out Crean's first three years. I guess I am a bit of Bas$^#(d so I only throw out his first 2. He should have been able to have a decent record in year 3 IMO.

Throwing out the first two means he is batting .500 in good years vs disappointing years. (again that is only my opinion.) To me, though it still comes down to the fact that his good years are not good enough to outweigh the bad.

i have no problem with people who do count his first 2 years against but I'm not one of them. I take myself back to those years and ask myself did I really think we had a chance to compete in the big 10 and I absolutely didn't think we would or could. The 3rd however he should not get a pass by anyone in my opinion while we probably wasn't going to compete for the title we should of at least had a team that was more competitive. Northwestern and penn st always found ways to compete despite having lesser talent so there should of been no reason we couldn't of competed with less talent

[iceman]

i have no problem with people who do count his first 2 years against but I'm not one of them. I take myself back to those years and ask myself did I really think we had a chance to compete in the big 10 and I absolutely didn't think we would or could. The 3rd however he should not get a pass by anyone in my opinion while we probably wasn't going to compete for the title we should of at least had a team that was more competitive. Northwestern and penn st always found ways to compete despite having lesser talent so there should of been no reason we couldn't of competed with less talent

You right we all know how many times these 2 teams have won a big ten title and went dancing ! Lmao

[mdn82]

You right we all know how many times these 2 teams have won a big ten title and went dancing ! Lmao

Please pretend this isn't text. I am trying to understand what you are trying to say.

[Uspshoosier]

Please pretend this isn't text. I am trying to understand what you are trying to say.

he is making fun of my comparison of being competitive as penn st and northwestern. He must of missed the penn st team in 2010-11that made the tournament

[KingPG21]

Are folks going to give credit to Crean and publicly apologize on the forum as they have been so quick to trash him if this team makes a run???

 

I think Crean has done a superb job of getting the players to buy into his defensive philosophy and the offense is firing on all cylinders.. I can't remember many IU teams in the last 20 years to go into the B1G Tourney with so much momentum. I like the direction this team is headed. I'm along for the ride. 

Apologize? For what? Stating their opinion? Seriously, no. I've given Crean props for this year. But I have nothing to apologize for, and really most here don't. It's the internet

[jmsgws]

You right we all know how many times these 2 teams have won a big ten title and went dancing ! Lmao

I don't know how old you are, but I am betting under 40.  Those of us that grew up on IU Basketball in the 60's through 90's have a completely different idea of what success is. 

Not even talking National Championships...  We are longing for the days again, when a bad year meant 19 wins and a first or second round exit in the tourney.  But even those bad years we were competitive almost every game.  Did you know that from 1970 until 2002 Indiana was ranked at least one week every season? 

There is a reason Tom Crean said " It's Indiana". 
 

[seanmm1971]

Apologize? For what? Stating their opinion? Seriously, no. I've given Crean props for this year. But I have nothing to apologize for, and really most here don't. It's the internet

While I agree few have anything to apologize for, total disagree with "it's the internet " a good rule of thumb is don't type anything you wouldn't say to a person's face, way too many keyboard warriors around these days.

[iceman]

I don't know how old you are, but I am betting under 40. Those of us that grew up on IU Basketball in the 60's through 90's have a completely different idea of what success is.

Not even talking National Championships... We are longing for the days again, when a bad year meant 19 wins and a first or second round exit in the tourney. But even those bad years we were competitive almost every game. Did you know that from 1970 until 2002 Indiana was ranked at least one week every season?

There is a reason Tom Crean said " It's Indiana".

Don't assume you know me or how old I am , most of the people bashing our coach RIGHT now are the same people who wanted Bobby Knight fired because we couldn't get past the sweet sixteen . Did you know Tom Crean is the first Indiana coach to win big ten coach of the year since 1993 . The days of Bobby Knight are over & yes if you know me I was a Big fan of his & what he did ! I have watched since he was fired Mike Davis , Calvin Sampson & Dan D run things right into the ground ! Tom Crean got hired & had NOTHING to work with & in the past 4 years won 2 big ten titles . Tom Izzo hasn't even done that .I think we are headed in the right direction at this point as I don't see ANY BETTER AVAILABLE OPTION ! I am not (BS) Dreamer , I want to see results and have the last 4 years

[TrueHoosier62]

I don't know how old you are, but I am betting under 40.  Those of us that grew up on IU Basketball in the 60's through 90's have a completely different idea of what success is. 

Not even talking National Championships...  We are longing for the days again, when a bad year meant 19 wins and a first or second round exit in the tourney.  But even those bad years we were competitive almost every game.  Did you know that from 1970 until 2002 Indiana was ranked at least one week every season? 

There is a reason Tom Crean said " It's Indiana". 
 

In case you're not told often enough, I like your posts. Keep up the good work.

[jmsgws]

I would agree with you that we are headed in the right direction. I would also agree that right now there is no one better that is available. I would disagree that we have seen results for the last four years. We have seen two good seasons. One BLAH season. One awful season. I'm not saying fire Tom Crean right now, but I am saying I think he should be on a short leash. If next year goes back to three years ago; then he should be gone. If next year we have another good year I'll be content to wait. I really hope Crean and the Hoosiers can prove me wrong. Because that means we are winning and winning consistently.

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[JSHoosier]

Are folks going to give credit to Crean and publicly apologize on the forum as they have been so quick to trash him if this team makes a run???

 

I think Crean has done a superb job of getting the players to buy into his defensive philosophy and the offense is firing on all cylinders.. I can't remember many IU teams in the last 20 years to go into the B1G Tourney with so much momentum. I like the direction this team is headed. I'm along for the ride. 

I have nothing to apologize for.  I've said the COY was deserved, but that doesn't change my opinion of him.  It took more than 1 year for me to feel he's not the solution long term, and it's going to take more than 1 year to change that opinion.  I've consistently said I don't care about the results of one season.

[JSHoosier]

One thing I keep seeing is "if someone better is available" or something of the sort.  I get the thought, but if we're talking available like a free agent pro athlete that's not going to happen with the home run coaches (Stevens, Donovan); if they were ever a free agent of sorts they wouldn't be long.  I'd say probably what we'd have to do is decide if that's who we want we have to make a real and serious effort to land them knowing we could strike out.

 

It won't happen to where we can say 'Oh, Brad Stevens needs a job.  See ya, Tom'.  

[TrueHoosier62]

I have nothing to apologize for.  I've said the COY was deserved, but that doesn't change my opinion of him.  It took more than 1 year for me to feel he's not the solution long term, and it's going to take more than 1 year to change that opinion.  I've consistently said I don't care about the results of one season.

Applause to you, sir.

[Striper]

I would agree with you that we are headed in the right direction. I would also agree that right now there is no one better that is available. I would disagree that we have seen results for the last four years. We have seen two good seasons. One BLAH season. One awful season. I'm not saying fire Tom Crean right now, but I am saying I think he should be on a short leash. If next year goes back to three years ago; then he should be gone. If next year we have another good year I'll be content to wait. I really hope Crean and the Hoosiers can prove me wrong. Because that means we are winning and winning consistently.

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Knight had a horrible season after '76 (16-11 and no postseason), I guess we are all lucky he wasn't fired for his inconsistency. :yes: