TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierTrav]

The whole 3 year grace period is so silly to me. Many coaches could have rebuilt so much faster in my opinion. I guess we will never truly know.

I've argued this before as well. Shouldn't have taken 3 years to have a decent team at Indiana. We also shouldn't be 8 years deep without sniffing a final four birth. If he was capable of being the right guy, he would have proven himself by now.

[hoosierpap]

Everything about him is speculative, but there have been some things said by him over the years which indicate he might be interested in the Indiana job were it ever available.   If it's NOT available, he's not a candidate.  And he'll never say a word about it.   If it IS available sometime, I don't believe it's as big a reach as some people think it is.  

Not really. BS has a clause in his contract allowing him out for IU. That isn't speculative. Word in Indy attorney circles is Tracey said last year she prefers the midwest and the east coast isn't for them. Nor is that. 

 

To me, the last part of your post is the speculative part...I know he is on record stating something like that but that seems like PR spin to me. That's an easy deflection. There is no way that those conversations don't happen before IU fires a coach. IU would feel that option out and they'd get a better answer than "talk to me when the job is actually open." I think they got it last year, though I can't be sure. 

[Stuhoo]

I"m tired of this BullS!!!

 

Get Brad here!  Pay for him!  He deserves it!!!!!!  Give him whatever he wants!!

 

Go Hoosiers!!!!!  My beloved school!!!  We DESERVE BETTER than this!

 

 

The problem is, what Brad Stevens MAY want ... is the chance to turn the Boston Celtics into NBA champions. 

 

He has more money than any of us can imagine. Besides; it's taxpayer money. We can't throw twenty gazillion dollars at him (and no, Naples, not even 19 gazillion). If Stevens comes back to college basketball, it will be because he wants his legacy to be like K or Knight, and because he has decided he doesn't want to be the next Greg Popovich. 

[southsidehoosier]

Not really. BS has a clause in his contract allowing him out for IU. That isn't speculative. Word in Indy attorney circles is Tracey said last year she prefers the midwest and the east coast isn't for them. Nor is that.

To me, the last part of your post is the speculative part...I know he is on record stating something like that but that seems like PR spin to me. That's an easy deflection. There is no way that those conversations don't happen before IU fires a coach. IU would feel that option out and they'd get a better answer than "talk to me when the job is actually open." I think they got it last year, though I can't be sure.

Wow didn't know all this info. Why aren't we making it rain on Brad?

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[hoosierpap]

Wow didn't know all this info. Why aren't we making it rain on Brad?

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I don't mean to make it seem like BS is coming to IU. Those are just two facts, obviously way more complex than that.

[southsidehoosier]

Oh I know its way more complex than what I made it but how could you not go after him full force of he has a clause in his contract about IU

[Old Friend]

Not really. BS has a clause in his contract allowing him out for IU. That isn't speculative. Word in Indy attorney circles is Tracey said last year she prefers the midwest and the east coast isn't for them. Nor is that. 

 

To me, the last part of your post is the speculative part...I know he is on record stating something like that but that seems like PR spin to me. That's an easy deflection. There is no way that those conversations don't happen before IU fires a coach. IU would feel that option out and they'd get a better answer than "talk to me when the job is actually open." I think they got it last year, though I can't be sure. 

That was his Butler contract, not his Celtics contract.   He said yesterday in at interview while at the Butler game his kids want to go to Butler when they're old enough....he's a midwest guy, and I think a college coach at heart.   The NBA is a players' league...and I don't think it's any more difficult than that.  The issue is timing, and everything about that is speculation.  Nobody "knows" anything.

[hoosierpap]

That was his Butler contract, not his Celtics contract.   He said yesterday in at interview while at the Butler game his kids want to go to Butler when they're old enough....he's a midwest guy, and I think a college coach at heart.   The NBA is a players' league...and I don't think it's any more difficult than that.  The issue is timing, and everything about that is speculation.  Nobody "knows" anything.

I can check in and get verification on the Celtics thing if need be. I don't really get the rest of the post. I do agree with the timing issue and it's not after this year. I can PM you a quoted email

[Trish]

Crean did hang a banner. ImageUploadedByBtownBanners1455487029.606445.jpg

lol....


I mean a BANNER.


Number six banner...

[bleedhoosier]

I remember early on people were saying the first year shouldn't be held against him, and I was okay with that, then it seemed like all of a sudden it jumped up to 3.

Heck I had a dude on Hoosier Nation argue with me for days that Crean should have 5 free years before any expectations hit. Incredible.

Gocolts came to my rescue however..

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[8bucks]

Not really. BS has a clause in his contract allowing him out for IU. That isn't speculative. Word in Indy attorney circles is Tracey said last year she prefers the midwest and the east coast isn't for them. Nor is that.

To me, the last part of your post is the speculative part...I know he is on record stating something like that but that seems like PR spin to me. That's an easy deflection. There is no way that those conversations don't happen before IU fires a coach. IU would feel that option out and they'd get a better answer than "talk to me when the job is actually open." I think they got it last year, though I can't be sure.

What do you think they got last year? Did we get a comment to talk with him when the job was open or was it an indicator of when he might have interest or was it something different.

I casually know someone who BS knew from Depauw and they indicated some doubts about them liking Boston but also thought the longer summer breaks might be something they did like. I have not talked with the friend recently and did not yet find out how the summers were going. Always felt family time, competitiveness (not just making the playoffs) and what they thought of Boston vs Midwest would be key factors.

[southsidehoosier]

What do you think they got last year? Did we get a comment to talk with him when the job was open or was it an indicator of when he might have interest or was it something different.

I casually know someone who BS knew from Depauw and they indicated some doubts about them liking Boston but also thought the longer summer breaks might be something they did like. I have not talked with the friend recently and did not yet find out how the summers were going. Always felt family time, competitiveness (not just making the playoffs) and what they thought of Boston vs Midwest would be key factors.

A friend on fb posted a knight interview from '87 when he was on the letterman show. Letterman asked him about ever considering the NBA and he said no because it's year around season where as his signing period was over so he could now go hunt and fish til the fall. Made me think about how easy Brad would have it here recruiting and all that time to hunt and fish (family time at home).

[8bucks]

A friend on fb posted a knight interview from '87 when he was on the letterman show. Letterman asked him about ever considering the NBA and he said no because it's year around season where as his signing period was over so he could now go hunt and fish til the fall. Made me think about how easy Brad would have it here recruiting and all that time to hunt and fish (family time at home).

I think RMK was wrong. Many pro coaches get several months off during the summer. Occasionally having some on-site meetings but mostly they get away. Of course the more successful your team is the longer they play and the shorter the off season is.

[Alford Bailey]

Do we know for sure that Stevens has an out for IU? Because to me that says he is interested.

[Brass Cannon]

That says to me he's more than interested

[X-Hoosier]

I think you greatly underestimate what an NBA coach has to do.

[X-Hoosier]

I don't think Stevens would be interested. He has zero reason to come back. Right now the Celtics are 3rd in the East at 32-23. They're looking to make a big move by Thursday. They have the Brooklyn Nets pick in the draft which is looking like a Top 5 pick. So they could get Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram or Buddy Hield. The Celtics are on the rise thanks to Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. There really is no reason to return to CBB for him. If he was failing as an NBA coach maybe but he isn't. You don't downgrade when you're successful like he is. He's in Boston to win and not to see what the experience is like. He's in the NBA for life.

[JSHoosier]

I don't think Stevens would be interested. He has zero reason to come back. Right now the Celtics are 3rd in the East at 32-23. They're looking to make a big move by Thursday. They have the Brooklyn Nets pick in the draft which is looking like a Top 5 pick. So they could get Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram or Buddy Hield. The Celtics are on the rise thanks to Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. There really is no reason to return to CBB for him. If he was failing as an NBA coach maybe but he isn't. You don't downgrade when you're successful like he is. He's in Boston to win and not to see what the experience is like. He's in the NBA for life.

No one outside of his family really knows for sure though.  We're all just speculating one way or the other, and there's only one way to find out for sure.

 

We do know he grew up idolizing Bob Knight and IU.  We do know that, at least at one point, IU is/was his dream job.  He would have the chance to walk the same sidelines as a coach he idolized and breath life into the program he grew up watching.  That would have to tug on the heart strings.  If it's true that he has an out in his contract for this job, and I've heard that before, then that doesn't sound like the door is completely closed.

[Uwe Robb]

I don't think Stevens would be interested. He has zero reason to come back. Right now the Celtics are 3rd in the East at 32-23. They're looking to make a big move by Thursday. They have the Brooklyn Nets pick in the draft which is looking like a Top 5 pick. So they could get Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram or Buddy Hield. The Celtics are on the rise thanks to Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. There really is no reason to return to CBB for him. If he was failing as an NBA coach maybe but he isn't. You don't downgrade when you're successful like he is. He's in Boston to win and not to see what the experience is like. He's in the NBA for life.

"Brad Stevens left Butler to coach the Boston Celtics on July 4th weekend in 2013 in one of the biggest coaching shockers this decade. Stevens had rebuffed all comers after guiding the Bulldogs to the Final 4 in 2010 and 2011, even though he could have had just about any job he wanted.

But the Celtics more than tripled his 2011 salary ($1.2 million), lavishing the then-36-year old with a 6-year, $22 million deal, and he couldn’t resist the pull of one of the most storied franchises in sports.

Stevens has never discussed returning to college coaching and NBA sources said he is totally invested in the Celtics. He wants to restore the organization to a contender and also has 3 more years on his contract. The organization has made a sizeable investment in his talents and expects him to be around for awhile."

Sounds like exactly what Stevens said at Butler for a couple years.

Then, he left.

Is it downgrading if IU pays him more?


 

[X-Hoosier]

"Brad Stevens left Butler to coach the Boston Celtics on July 4th weekend in 2013 in one of the biggest coaching shockers this decade. Stevens had rebuffed all comers after guiding the Bulldogs to the Final 4 in 2010 and 2011, even though he could have had just about any job he wanted.

But the Celtics more than tripled his 2011 salary ($1.2 million), lavishing the then-36-year old with a 6-year, $22 million deal, and he couldn’t resist the pull of one of the most storied franchises in sports.

Stevens has never discussed returning to college coaching and NBA sources said he is totally invested in the Celtics. He wants to restore the organization to a contender and also has 3 more years on his contract. The organization has made a sizeable investment in his talents and expects him to be around for awhile."

Sounds like exactly what Stevens said at Butler for a couple years.

Then, he left.

Is it downgrading if IU pays him more?

Yes it is still downgrading. The Boston Celtics are one of the top jobs you can have if you're successful. Indiana can't even touch it. Really no college job can except maybe Kentucky, Kansas or North Carolina. It is the same with the Lakers if they're good. If Boston was struggling then I'd understand Stevens entertaining a chance to leave... but that just isn't the case here. Boston is looking to deal right now and looking to get the #1 pick in the draft while making a push for the 2 seed in the NBA playoffs.