TOM CREAN FIRED

[OliviaPope40 6,638]

Lol ok? He was just answering your question.

I see that.

[KingPG21 6,587]

Its to the point where if Troy stayed I would rather play him at SG. 

 

Rojo

Troy

OG

DD

Bryant

Unless Troy can start shooting from the outside consistently at all then the spacing on that lineup is broken, like completely. 

[KingPG21 6,587]

I'm not really sure what your first paragraph means...is there any concrete evidence that he's giving up 15-18 more than an average defender? And the thing about Harden...what? I just don't know what you're saying.

Second paragraph...yes, he is a bad defender. I said that, but as far as scoring, you're wrong. He averaged 15.7 last year as a freshman and was averaging 15.8 before he went down this year. His A/TO ratio was pretty much even with a small up tick in both this season (.2 % points up on assists and .3 on turnovers). I'm still not 100% convinced that all of our defensive woes have been cured because he went down either. It probably was part of it, but it's also obvious that we miss his scoring sometimes too. And it will be really apparent when the competition picks up and Yogi can't take over and we need a bucket.

Pretty sure he is referencing that Harden two years ago was awful defensively and seen as one of the worst in the league. Issue with that narrative is that his defense took a huge climb and he looked really good last year. He has taken steps back this year, but the narrative that he is an awful defender doesn't really work anymore. 

[Naturalhoosier 15,436]

I see that.

Then why.....oh never mind.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,764]

If only the stock market would climb in conjunction with the post count on this thread!

[Alford Bailey 12,416]

We haven't beaten anyone of substance.  We just haven't.  Notre Dame looks better now.  Wisconsin looks better now.  But apart from those games....Indiana has nary a single solid win.   

 

The good news :  Sagarin rating is 18.  That's solid.

                             Indiana is far better defensively without Blackmon

                            Indiana has figured out how to win close games on the road

 

The bad news : SOS is 175.   That's pathetic.

 

As our SOS gets better, our Sagarin will drop unless we win several games against "good" teams, and the Big Ten is viewed now as a very weak conference.  Iowa is better than we are.  Maryland is.  Purdue is.  Depending on the day, Michigan State is. But we play just 5 games against those teams. with just two on the road.  I read today Indiana is projected as an 8 seed...which can obviously change, but Indiana needs to win some of those games to really make noise or really convince anybody they deserve much more.

 

The wolves won't leave Crean's door until he has sustained success.  His resume is what it is.  The eyeball test is what it is.  The people internally that say he wears them out are who they are.  The high school and AAU coaches who can't stand him aren't making things up.  He's done a lot of damage to himself.

 

Crean's whole career has been built on beating cupcakes.  Even at Marquette, his pre-conference schedules were largely a joke.   We all want to win, but at some point, you actually have to DO it....and then do it again.  And again.  I really think it'd take 3 straight seasons to convince me he's a coach who can win consistently.  And I mean top 3 Big Ten finishes with 22+ wins, at least one league title, an appearance or two on Sunday in the BTT, and at least one trip (and probably two) past the sweet 16.  I don't think that's too much to ask at Indiana.  Especially because he's really not shown he can do ANY of those with any regularity, and never has.  

 

For what it's worth, I think next year's team (even without Yogi, Zeisloft, and Williams) has a chance to be better than this one.  Those three are all liabilities defensively for different reasons.

Yogi will be a huge hole to fill the other two not so much IMO.

 

 

And I'm not sure we've beat a Tourney team yet. ND maybe.

[Uspshoosier 46,448]

Yogi will be a huge hole to fill the other two not so much IMO.


And I'm not sure we've beat a Tourney team yet. ND maybe.

i wonder how many possible tourney teams Duke has beaten this year? Iu is their best win with vcu being second. You would think Georgetown would be a good win but our win over Ipfw (69) is a better resume win then their Georgetown win (103)

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,277]

I'm not going to name names....however, i wouldn't be sad if two of our players left for the NBA. Just sayin'

[Parakeet Jones 3,784]

I'm not going to name names....however, i wouldn't be sad if two of our players left for the NBA. Just sayin'

Priller and Niego love IU too much to leave early.

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,277]

you said their names! why I outta............................

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

This thread lol

[Dalton26 16,892]

This thread lol

What about it?

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

What about it?

off the wall. Confrontational. Personally think it should be locked during the season, he is here for now with no change in the foreseeable future. Trolls eyes light up to this thread.

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

off the wall. Confrontational. Personally think it should be locked during the season, he is here for now with no change in the foreseeable future. Trolls eyes light up to this thread.

 

Do you see the irony of this comment.  Coming into a thread and loling at it?

[Hovadipo 56,934]

off the wall. Confrontational. Personally think it should be locked during the season, he is here for now with no change in the foreseeable future. Trolls eyes light up to this thread.

Better than lighting up all the game, recruit, music threads. This thread isn't going anywhere.

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

Do you see the irony of this comment. Coming into a thread and loling at it?

yeah.

[Dalton26 16,892]

off the wall. Confrontational. Personally think it should be locked during the season, he is here for now with no change in the foreseeable future. Trolls eyes light up to this thread.

It's not off the wall or confrontational in my opinion. If this thread was locked people would still post it in other threads which would make some posters cry about it all the time. You realize what you're doing is trolling right?

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

It's not off the wall or confrontational in my opinion. If this thread was locked people would still post it in other threads which would make some posters cry about it all the time. You realize what you're doing is trolling right?

honestly didn't have that intention.

[seanmm1971 1,437]

Like grandma always said...DFTT.
OK well maybe not grandma,but still good advice.

[Alford Bailey 12,416]

Anybody remember how bad Bill Belichick was in Cleveland? Then he goes on to win 4 Super Bowls in NE. I just keep hoping somehow someway Crean can make the same jump.