TOM CREAN FIRED

[jman301]

I don't want to fire him just yet, but at what point do they do it. He's been here 8 years and we still don't play defense and have zero clue how to stop dribble penetration. How long do they allow this to continue?

[mdn82]

I agree. I stayed away from the game thread last night because of this fact. I expected a blow out, and wanted to watch without reading the negatives a group here espout many times daily here.

Yes and unfortunately we are going to have to become more active and start giving vacations for posts that have no bearing whatsoever on the game.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Also posted in the IU vs. Duke Game thread.


From Assembly Call - "Cover Your Eyes..." http://assemblycall....ad-under-crean/

Capsule summary of how we've fared as a road team since 2011 and it ain't pretty.

• Overall road record v top-25 teams: 4-16
• Overall road record v top-25 teams outside of 2012-13 season: 0-16
• Average margin of defeat in 16 losses: 14.6 points
• Overall road record against all opponents: 17-33
• Overall road record against all opponents outside of 2012-13 season: 10-31

We really have to play to near perfection if we're going to end Duke's home streak and get a W.

for sake of comparison. Kansas road/neutral vs top 25 over same span was approximately 13-11. Not great either but interesting. I may dig up some other elite teams for funsies.

[Brass Cannon]

Lmao. You know we have people who have spoke with the mods about signing up but they won't with the mob mentality. This is the type of stuff they are talking about. I honestly hope you guys are as perfect at your jobs as you portray on here. This is nuts. We lose a game, it's Crean's fault. Never mind a fluke play where the defenders didn't communicate who their man was. Then we win a road game at UM to win the title conference and it's his fault it's so close. Do you guys honestly believe the stuff you say? Can you guys not find any good in his coaching or development of players? I can honestly say I am glad I don't work with any of you and live up to your standards.

 

I might buy that except we had a 12 point half time lead.  IIRC we had a ten point lead with 6 minutes left.  Then thanks to some poor substations and standing around clapping instead of coaching Illinois was able to make a comeback.  Now granted I might be mistaking that for one of the other games where Crean just stood around clapping while the opposing team went on a big run. 

 

What good does he have when it comes to player development.  Crean has kicked more people to the curb than he has developed into a quality starter. 

 

Crean treats his players as disposable so I don't understand the fervor to defend him when fans treat him as disposable. 

[Stuhoo]

Suck up...

Ahhh...no!

mdn is a jackass, it's his post that I appreciated.

[Hovadipo]

Ahhh...no!

mdn is a jackass, it's his post that I appreciated.

Honest mistake. Please forgive me.

[BlueDevil]

I don't want to fire him just yet, but at what point do they do it. He's been here 8 years and we still don't play defense and have zero clue how to stop dribble penetration. How long do they allow this to continue?

There's a plan in place somewhere. I don't think you can just fire him without a plan. Plus it's only 7 games in the season is not lost. I really think firing him right now would cause this season to go into free fall mode.

[Alford Bailey]

I might buy that except we had a 12 point half time lead.  IIRC we had a ten point lead with 6 minutes left.  Then thanks to some poor substations and standing around clapping instead of coaching Illinois was able to make a comeback.  Now granted I might be mistaking that for one of the other games where Crean just stood around clapping while the opposing team went on a big run. 

 

What good does he have when it comes to player development.  Crean has kicked more people to the curb than he has developed into a quality starter. 

 

Crean treats his players as disposable so I don't understand the fervor to defend him when fans treat him as disposable. 

Yea, no way that game should come down to the last shot.

[Uspshoosier]

Yea, no way that game should come down to the last shot.

isnt that why they play the games. Of course we should of won but Illinois still had to make shots. I've watched a lot of college basketball where the best team didn't win (isn't that what makes March great) Wisconsin shouldn't of lost to Rutgers last year but they did.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Honest mistake. Please forgive me.

Suck up

[Brass Cannon]

isnt that why they play the games. Of course we should of won but Illinois still had to make shots. I've watched a lot of college basketball where the best team didn't win (isn't that what makes March great) Wisconsin shouldn't of lost to Rutgers last year but they did.

 

Yeah upsets usually come down to poor coaching(this is actually why we were able to beat UK in 2011) or players just not being into the game.  Alot of IUs losses have actually been both

[Uspshoosier]

Yeah upsets usually come down to poor coaching(this is actually why we were able to beat UK in 2011) or players just not being into the game. Alot of IUs losses have actually been both

thats good to know I always thought upsets could happen because one team wanted it more or just outplayed them good to know its on poor coaching It's not like that Illinois team was a bad team (ken Pom 38) They made the tournament and gave Miami a hell of a game in the second round

[Uspshoosier]

Yeah upsets usually come down to poor coaching(this is actually why we were able to beat UK in 2011) or players just not being into the game. Alot of IUs losses have actually been both

actually it's why you believe we were able to beat uk. My opinion and probably a lot others would say we won because our guys wanted it more aslo Terrance jones (not coaching) decided to be a no show that game

[Alford Bailey]

isnt that why they play the games. Of course we should of won but Illinois still had to make shots. I've watched a lot of college basketball where the best team didn't win (isn't that what makes March great) Wisconsin shouldn't of lost to Rutgers last year but they did.

Go back and watch the last five minutes of that game.

[mdn82]

I might buy that except we had a 12 point half time lead. IIRC we had a ten point lead with 6 minutes left. Then thanks to some poor substations and standing around clapping instead of coaching Illinois was able to make a comeback. Now granted I might be mistaking that for one of the other games where Crean just stood around clapping while the opposing team went on a big run.

What good does he have when it comes to player development. Crean has kicked more people to the curb than he has developed into a quality starter.

Crean treats his players as disposable so I don't understand the fervor to defend him when fans treat him as disposable.

What honestly does clapping have to do with anything? By that being an emphasis of your post I completely see you don't get the bulk of mine. The funny thing is if we beat Illinois at Illinois you wouldn't remember that game. If we lose to UM you would be talking about it the same as you do now. Crean did recruit that team that won in spite of him. That is a large part of coaching these days. I want him gone but the over the top negativity is just asinine to me. Did he kick someone's dog? I mean honestly we are griping about a win on the road against a top 5 or 10 team at the time. It's a negative the way we won? We are so good we can complain when we win conference that way? I am truly disappointed to say I truly feel we are the most out of touch entitled fans out in all of college sports. Crean deserves to be fired at this point but our "fan base" is ridiculous.

[southernindianahoosier]

What honestly does clapping have to do with anything? By that being an emphasis of your post I completely see you don't get the bulk of mine. The funny thing is if we beat Illinois at Illinois you wouldn't remember that game. If we lose to UM you would be talking about it the same as you do now. Crean did recruit that team that won in spite of him. That is a large part of coaching these days. I want him gone but the over the top negativity is just asinine to me. Did he kick someone's dog? I mean honestly we are griping about a win on the road against a top 5 or 10 team at the time. It's a negative the way we won? We are so good we can complain when we win conference that way? I am truly disappointed to say I truly feel we are the most out of touch entitled fans out in all of college sports. Crean deserves to be fired at this point but our "fan base" is ridiculous.

Our fan base isn't ridiculous... Our fan base is reacting to 15 years of poor upper management. How could you not be ticked off after Knight was fired and we proceeded to hire 3 bad coaches?

[mdn82]

Are fan base isn't ridiculous... Our fan base is reacting to 15 years of poor upper management. How could you not be ticked off after Knight was fired and we proceeded to hire 3 bad coaches?

That isn't Tom Crean's fault.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

How about Kentucky fans with Tubby Smith or Billy Gillespie or UNC fans with Doherty or heck even Roy Williams.

Our fans are not out of line. Indiana should never miss the NCAA tournament or it could be a once in a decade fluke. We expect better. It's honestly not good basketball on the defensive end. It's "sometimes" beautiful basketball on the offensive end when shots drop. Against the zone is ugly when not making shots. Every single analyst that watches our games is in shock by our lack of defensive intensity and fundamentals.

I have been on the fence with Crean from day 1 and he virtually had me won over post Watshot season. I was okay losing in 2012/2013 because we were always a little overrated in my opinion and it was a weak year of CBB. Syracuse was good and exposed us. We lost full confidence at the end of that season for whatever reason but the fact that Crean did not take those 2 years of momentum and knock it out of the park is very concerning that he never will. Momentum will never be stronger than it was and he wasted all of it.

[JaybobHoosier]

What honestly does clapping have to do with anything? By that being an emphasis of your post I completely see you don't get the bulk of mine. The funny thing is if we beat Illinois at Illinois you wouldn't remember that game. If we lose to UM you would be talking about it the same as you do now. Crean did recruit that team that won in spite of him. That is a large part of coaching these days. I want him gone but the over the top negativity is just asinine to me. Did he kick someone's dog? I mean honestly we are griping about a win on the road against a top 5 or 10 team at the time. It's a negative the way we won? We are so good we can complain when we win conference that way? I am truly disappointed to say I truly feel we are the most out of touch entitled fans out in all of college sports. Crean deserves to be fired at this point but our "fan base" is ridiculous.

***Drops mic and exits stage right!

[JaybobHoosier]

You guys, lol, Mdn is not getting on you guys for your opinions, it's how over the top they are, along with how some are so doom and gloom with no positivity at all.

Please read his post for its context, not read over seeing how he thinks your are wrong and you are in such a hurry to be the tough keyboard guy.

He doesn't like Crean, but he doesn't let that consume his posting and every thought. He recognizes the good with the bad.