Beachfront Property Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Note: I fully understand this is one game and a very small sample size. Here is a wild theory - feel free to tell me I am crazy. Last year, JBJ goes down and the Hoosiers go on a run to the Big Ten Title after looking terrible in the non-conference. JBJ's poor defense is blamed. People claimed we were simply a better team without him. This year, OG goes down for the season and Morgan has to miss the game. We play the best offensive game we have in months. I don't think anyone is going to claim we are a better team without OG and Morgan. However, is it possible we play better as a team with only an 8 man rotation? JBJ makes a couple of shots and Crean doesn't immediately yank him out of the game. McRoberts is able to get in a rhythm and make plays without knowing in the back of his mind he is about to get pulled from the game. What are your thoughts? Am I just being overly optimistic? Josh, Oladipo, VO5 and 4 others 7 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 You're crazy Beachfront Property, mdn82 and Crimson and Cream 3 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Actually, there might be something more to this but right now it's just one game. Last season Yogi and JBJ wanted to be batman and neither really wanted to play the "lesser" role and sacrifice for the team. This game might have just been JBJ getting hot and carrying the team. I do think the rotation needs tightened regardless of how many players you have. There's no reason to "tweak" and play kids that don't fit or play them extended minutes. Beachfront Property 1 Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 What Beachfront opined is somewhat in line with GnarlyTimGarl's coments in OG Out For Season. Injuries cut back on the number and frequency of CTC's possible substitutions and it forces other players to respond and on-court roles become more clearly defined because of that. Beachfront Property, reconmkd and HoosierAloha 3 Quote
Alford Bailey Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 No question guys can get in a better rhythm mdn82 and Class of '66 Old Fart 2 Quote
Hovadipo Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I was thinking this earlier today. It's an unfortunate plus that we've had so many injuries. You're also crazy. But I like it. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mdn82, HoosierAloha and Class of '66 Old Fart 3 Quote
mdn82 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I think everyone is pretty well spot on. If everyone was available James doesn't score 16 in the first 10 minutes. He scores 8-10 and then gets pulled.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app WayneFleekHoosier, Class of '66 Old Fart, HoosierAloha and 1 other 4 Quote
FortWayneHoosier Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Love this, there for sure is something to this. I think we will see how well this plays out in the next few games Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mdn82 1 Quote
Feathery Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Time will tell. Right now Im subscribing to the thought that when a player gets injured, many tines a team plays great the following game. However, over the course of the season they will end up struggling. I think that is what we saw today, we shall see what happens goikg forward. Overall, tightening of the bench should have happened years ago. Play your best 8 and if you are really deep you can go 9 some games. Quote
Oladipo Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Time will tell. Right now Im subscribing to the thought that when a player gets injured, many tines a team plays great the following game. However, over the course of the season they will end up struggling. I think that is what we saw today, we shall see what happens goikg forward. Overall, tightening of the bench should have happened years ago. Play your best 8 and if you are really deep you can go 9 some games. Most teams play bad the game after a injury cause the adjustments that are made imo Quote
BGleas Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I think IU's record might be different right now if you had a healthy rotation of JBJ, RoJo, Green, OG, Hartman, Morgan, Davis and Bryant. I meant literally have nobody else dress for the game, just those eight guys. Maybe let CuJo dress to have just in case, but that's it. No Newkirk, no McRoberts (who I actually like, but we don't need more guys), no McSwain, etc. Crean just can't substitute, No reason your best players shouldn't average 30ish minutes a game. Ryno6284, mdn82, WayneFleekHoosier and 4 others 7 Quote
Yogi's Picnic Basket Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 JBJ should average 32 the WHOLE year, TB should average 28-30, RoJo 30, OG before injury 32, Juwan 26-28, DD 12-18 depending on play, DG 10-20 depending on play, Newkirk 0-12 depending on play, cujo 8-14, mcroberts 5-12. This would give our best players more minutes and also enough time for younger kids to develop. Minutes have been Creans main issue his time here imo. His best don't always play the most and his worst seem to play too much. Trying to make everyone happy but he dont get if a kid gets some time rather than none he will be more upset because he wont want to get off the court. Crean is more of a friend than coach. Sent from my LGLS676 using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
MartintheMopMan Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said: JBJ should average 32 the WHOLE year, TB should average 28-30, RoJo 30, OG before injury 32, Juwan 26-28, DD 12-18 depending on play, DG 10-20 depending on play, Newkirk 0-12 depending on play, cujo 8-14, mcroberts 5-12. This would give our best players more minutes and also enough time for younger kids to develop. Minutes have been Creans main issue his time here imo. His best don't always play the most and his worst seem to play too much. Trying to make everyone happy but he dont get if a kid gets some time rather than none he will be more upset because he wont want to get off the court. Crean is more of a friend than coach. Sent from my LGLS676 using BtownBanners mobile app I don't buy the "trying to get kids time" argument at all, unless you have something to back it up. Yogi's Picnic Basket 1 Quote
recker222000 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Most teams play bad the game after a injury cause the adjustments that are made imo Last yeat we rallied. This looks very similar. Nobody can stop jbj right now.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
LockdownD Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 9 hours ago, recker222000 said: Last yeat we rallied. This looks very similar. Nobody can stop jbj right now. Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Right. JBJ is in a good place right now. Hope he stays there. 323SGrant 1 Quote
SlamaJamaSisley Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I disagree with the shortened rotation theory. When guys go down to injury (which happens A LOT for us), the longer rotation keeps guys "tuned in" so they can step in. Sure, in crunch time there should only be certain guys on the floor, but they all need to play some to stay sharp IMO. Stuhoo 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I disagree with the shortened rotation theory. When guys go down to injury (which happens A LOT for us), the longer rotation keeps guys "tuned in" so they can step in. Sure, in crunch time there should only be certain guys on the floor, but they all need to play some to stay sharp IMO.Hasn't it been proven under Crean by him keeping players "tuned in" it is a detriment to us getting in a rhythm? On Zeller's team we had 7 players over 10 mpg (Hollowell had 9.7 pg). This year we have 10 players averaging over 10 mpg. That is excessive. Was Zeller's team more fit? We ran the same pace. Part of it is injuries skewing the numbers, but not to that degree.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
HoosierAloha Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Hasn't it been proven under Crean by him keeping players "tuned in" it is a detriment to us getting in a rhythm? On Zeller's team we had 7 players over 10 mpg (Hollowell had 9.7 pg). This year we have 10 players averaging over 10 mpg. That is excessive. Was Zeller's team more fit? We ran the same pace. Part of it is injuries skewing the numbers, but not to that degree.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appWithout looking at stats I would say that the Zeller years were more uptempo. Quote
Stuhoo Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 Hasn't it been proven under Crean by him keeping players "tuned in" it is a detriment to us getting in a rhythm? On Zeller's team we had 7 players over 10 mpg (Hollowell had 9.7 pg). This year we have 10 players averaging over 10 mpg. That is excessive. Was Zeller's team more fit? We ran the same pace. Part of it is injuries skewing the numbers, but not to that degree.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appThe Zeller team was mentally and physically exhausted by tournament time though. Quote
mdn82 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 The Zeller team was mentally and physically exhausted by tournament time though.I think a large part of that was the crazy practice pace we seemed to have lessened last year. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app ALASKA HOOSIER, MikeRoberts and Class of '66 Old Fart 3 Quote
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