Post-Butler Frustration Thread

[yogisballin]

1 minute ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Not sure what point you're trying to prove.


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I took it as a joke, LOL

[Baltimore Hoosier]

The scary thing is, with the amount of star-power turnover at the end of this year, Galeon and McSwain may be in line for lots of playing time in 2017-18. 

[recker222000]

The scary thing is, with the amount of star-power turnover at the end of this year, Galeon and McSwain may be in line for lots of playing time in 2017-18. 

Gelon for three is something we will hear alit next year

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[Str8Hoosiers]

3 hours ago, recker222000 said:

 

Hartman wont be back this year. Mcswain seems like the typical crean panic recruit like priller and april. He just cant help himself.

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Is it confirmed that Hartman won't be back this year? I hadn't heard that, last I heard there was still a chance.... 

Until last night 1 of the announcers mentioned he was out for the year (but I don't put much stock into things they were saying).

[recker222000]

Is it confirmed that Hartman won't be back this year? I hadn't heard that, last I heard there was still a chance.... 

Until last night 1 of the announcers mentioned he was out for the year (but I don't put much stock into things they were saying).

If there was a chance he was coming back word would have leaked out by now.

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[bellj833]

The scary thing is, with the amount of star-power turnover at the end of this year, Galeon and McSwain may be in line for lots of playing time in 2017-18. 

I really don't think we'll be losing as much as we thought going into this season. Of OG, Blackmon, and Bryant, I would bet that we only lose one if any at all so we should be even better next year IMO and with a lot more experience. As for Freddie there is no way he should be playing high major D1 college basketball. He's an athlete and that's all. He has very minimal basketball iq and his skill set is very limited. If he didn't have a 40 inch vertical he wouldn't even be playing D2 ball in all honesty. He's a HUGE project that won't have any time at all to develop....whoever said that he was a panic recruit was spot on. Will never understand it.

[Stuhoo]

I really don't think we'll be losing as much as we thought going into this season. Of OG, Blackmon, and Bryant, I would bet that we only lose one if any at all so we should be even better next year IMO and with a lot more experience. As for Freddie there is no way he should be playing high major D1 college basketball. He's an athlete and that's all. He has very minimal basketball iq and his skill set is very limited. If he didn't have a 40 inch vertical he wouldn't even be playing D2 ball in all honesty. He's a HUGE project that won't have any time at all to develop....whoever said that he was a panic recruit was spot on. Will never understand it.

He's a great kid, and he's athletic enough to be an excellent practice player. It's as simple as that; not every player has expectations of being in the rotation. That's why there are 13 scholarships.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 hour ago, bellj833 said:

I really don't think we'll be losing as much as we thought going into this season. Of OG, Blackmon, and Bryant, I would bet that we only lose one if any at all so we should be even better next year IMO and with a lot more experience. As for Freddie there is no way he should be playing high major D1 college basketball. He's an athlete and that's all. He has very minimal basketball iq and his skill set is very limited. If he didn't have a 40 inch vertical he wouldn't even be playing D2 ball in all honesty. He's a HUGE project that won't have any time at all to develop....whoever said that he was a panic recruit was spot on. Will never understand it.

One if any? OG, despite being less than 100% and not having quite the impact everyone expected so far, is considered a top 10 pick still by most publications. Bryant is somewhere in the Top 20, but I expect his stock to continue to rise. And Blackmon tested the waters already, and if he keeps scoring and shooting the kind of percentages he's shooting, I'd expect he's gone too. That's 3 really big holes to fill. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I really don't think we'll be losing as much as we thought going into this season. Of OG, Blackmon, and Bryant, I would bet that we only lose one if any at all so we should be even better next year IMO and with a lot more experience. As for Freddie there is no way he should be playing high major D1 college basketball. He's an athlete and that's all. He has very minimal basketball iq and his skill set is very limited. If he didn't have a 40 inch vertical he wouldn't even be playing D2 ball in all honesty. He's a HUGE project that won't have any time at all to develop....whoever said that he was a panic recruit was spot on. Will never understand it.

Will never understand what gives you the idea we may return Blackmon, OG, and TB.

I'm withholding judgement on Freddie until next year. I don't think he was brought in to really contribute on the court this year.


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[KingPG21]

11 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Will never understand what gives you the idea we may return Blackmon, OG, and TB.

I'm withholding judgement on Freddie until next year. I don't think he was brought in to really contribute on the court this year.


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I'm trying to figure out why people think OG is gonna be back. He has stuff to work on, but what draft prospect doesn't. Our play with him on the court against without him has been like night and day this year. Draft scouts love his game, and his potential. Plus for he has a low usage percentage among the other top draft prospects at least, yet he has been super efficient so far. 

[bellj833]

One if any? OG, despite being less than 100% and not having quite the impact everyone expected so far, is considered a top 10 pick still by most publications. Bryant is somewhere in the Top 20, but I expect his stock to continue to rise. And Blackmon tested the waters already, and if he keeps scoring and shooting the kind of percentages he's shooting, I'd expect he's gone too. That's 3 really big holes to fill. 

I don't think Blackmons size translates well into the NBA as a 2 guard and he certainly doesn't have the ball handling skills to run point. He is nowhere to be found in any mock drafts and most project Bryant to be a late first rounder or 2nd rounder and I just think he loves Indiana too much and will try to get his degree in 3 years and go pro after his junior year when he has guaranteed money coming his way as a potential lottery pick. OG without a doubt could go after this year but does anyone think he's in a hurry to go pro???

[Hoosierfan2017]

I wish we had McSwain for four years. I think Crean would've really been able to develop him if he would've gotten him sooner. Regardless, I have no problem with him on the team. He's raw, but he's not a Priller or an April. Who knows, with a summer in Bloomington next year the coaches might turn him into a contributer. At the least he's an athletic body they can use in practice. 

I don't think jbj will ever play in the NBA. He doesn't have the explosiveness you need to be a 2 guard when you're 6'4. I know he'll be itching to leave after this year, but I don't think he'll be happy with the result if he does. Hopefully he sticks around. 

[Old Friend]

On 12/17/2016 at 11:22 PM, HoosierAloha said:

It's not losing that sucks. It's knowing you're going to lose because a team knows what to do to beat you while you continue to do the same stupid things.

What's he definition of insanity?

Exactly.  Sometimes it's the "why."

 

[mdn82]

One if any? OG, despite being less than 100% and not having quite the impact everyone expected so far, is considered a top 10 pick still by most publications. Bryant is somewhere in the Top 20, but I expect his stock to continue to rise. And Blackmon tested the waters already, and if he keeps scoring and shooting the kind of percentages he's shooting, I'd expect he's gone too. That's 3 really big holes to fill. 

OG is not top 10. Anywhere. Bryant is not top 20 either. Most have OG at the end of 1 and Bryant in the 2nd. OG should go, but we will see on Bryant.

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[BGleas]

3 hours ago, bellj833 said:

I don't think Blackmons size translates well into the NBA as a 2 guard and he certainly doesn't have the ball handling skills to run point. He is nowhere to be found in any mock drafts and most project Bryant to be a late first rounder or 2nd rounder and I just think he loves Indiana too much and will try to get his degree in 3 years and go pro after his junior year when he has guaranteed money coming his way as a potential lottery pick. OG without a doubt could go after this year but does anyone think he's in a hurry to go pro???

I don't think being drafted is going to matter for JBJ. Things have changed over the years, while the NBA is certainly the goal for these guys, many of them would rather go undrafted and take their shot in the D-League or make six figures in Europe than go unpaid in college for 4 years. Troy is a perfect example, but you can find more all over college basketball. 

I think JBJ is gone regardless of what any mock draft is saying. 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I think JBJ was gone after last season had he not lost the season with the knee surgery.

[recker222000]

I think JBJ was gone after last season had he not lost the season with the knee surgery.

I agree jbj is gone and OG as well. OG will get drafted high. Bryant is a maybe.

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[Hoosierfan31]

JBJ I think scouts are waiting to see if he's gonna fall apart physically..since he has already had 2 pretty major procedures

Don't think TB will stay. He will start rising in the draft once the rest of the team realize he and DD need to be utilized more.

OG - I just can't see him not continuing to improve and see his draft stock pretty high by the end of the season as well.

Don't know why anyone would expect to get any of these 3 back. Maybe willing it to happen? Haha if we are lucky we will keep one!

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[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan31 said:

JBJ I think scouts are waiting to see if he's gonna fall apart physically..since he has already had 2 pretty major procedures

Don't think TB will stay. He will start rising in the draft once the rest of the team realize he and DD need to be utilized more.

OG - I just can't see him not continuing to improve and see his draft stock pretty high by the end of the season as well.

Don't know why anyone would expect to get any of these 3 back. Maybe willing it to happen? Haha if we are lucky we will keep one!

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TBs issues are his own not his teammates. He isn't going to rise into the first round in projections doesn't mean he stays though 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

18 hours ago, mdn82 said:

OG is not top 10. Anywhere. Bryant is not top 20 either. Most have OG at the end of 1 and Bryant in the 2nd. OG should go, but we will see on Bryant.

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Og isn't top 10 anywhere? Bryant isn't top 20 anywhere? You don't know what you're talking about. Draft Express has been the most accurate mock draft year in year out for about the last 5 years:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/OG-Anunoby-93246/ 

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Bryant-7231/

21 hours ago, bellj833 said:

I don't think Blackmons size translates well into the NBA as a 2 guard and he certainly doesn't have the ball handling skills to run point. He is nowhere to be found in any mock drafts and most project Bryant to be a late first rounder or 2nd rounder and I just think he loves Indiana too much and will try to get his degree in 3 years and go pro after his junior year when he has guaranteed money coming his way as a potential lottery pick. OG without a doubt could go after this year but does anyone think he's in a hurry to go pro???

All 3 are gone IMO. And Blackmon may do exactly what Troy Williams did this year. He tested the waters .. I don't think the 'love' Bryant has for Indiana University trumps a potential first round selection. And why wouldn't OG leave? His stock isn't going to get much higher. I think you're living in a dream world if you honestly believe OG and Bryant aren't gone.