(2018) PF Jake Forrester to IU

[reconmkd 4,331]

Question that pertains to rankings, how many updates in rankings will occur before the 2018 class starts practice?


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[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,256]

21 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

The main things Jake needs to work on is handle and going to his left. He isn't clumsy. Solid footwork and balance. A lot of room for growth, but he isn't Hanner Perea by any stretch. Agree with you here.


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shiver......

[Hoosierfan2017 20,923]

Did someone say Hanner Perea?

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Did someone say Hanner Perea?

Haha I wish I had more than one like to give.

[cljones1979 740]

Doesn't he play with reddish and bamba so he probably gets overlooked

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Maniru was all potential and terribly misranked. He didn't have "basketball skill". Jake actually has that. 

Yes he was but at the time I recall people being very excited about him. You can call him a bust afterwards easily but at the time few did. I recall somebody writing he would start from day one.

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[mdn82 25,510]

Yes he was but at the time I recall people being very excited about him. You can call him a bust afterwards easily but at the time few did. I recall somebody writing he would start from day one.

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That is the same for every recruit from Cody Zeller to Hanner Perea. That is the very natural process of recruiting and has been that way as long as I have been following this stuff. Very few people giving their opinions (it is a message board after all) have saw these kids in person or watched more than a few highlight videos. There are always the same people on every board from Peegs to 247 to here that will say every recruit sucks and is overrated to shout they told you so. Then you have 95% of the people genuinely happy a kid wants to play at their school. Very few actual scouts on a fan board like this either good or bad.


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[JSHoosier 19,829]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

That is the same for every recruit from Cody Zeller to Hanner Perea. That is the very natural process of recruiting and has been that way as long as I have been following this stuff. Very few people giving their opinions (it is a message board after all) have saw these kids in person or watched more than a few highlight videos. There are always the same people on every board from Peegs to 247 to here that will say every recruit sucks and is overrated to shout they told you so. Then you have 95% of the people genuinely happy a kid wants to play at their school. Very few actual scouts on a fan board like this either good or bad.


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I was as guilty as anyone of thinking Hanner Perea would contribute based off highlights.  That opinion changed in a hurry when I actually saw him play with LaLu.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,923]

I saw someone on another board say that Forrester is Archie's Tim Priller. Talk about a hot take. 

[ebridges24 2,417]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I saw someone on another board say that Forrester is Archie's Tim Priller. Talk about a hot take. 

that's a real informed position to take

[AKHoosier 6,739]

17 hours ago, Old Friend said:

I was not impressed with the Bruiser Flint hire, so I'm skeptical and I still have no idea why we feel the need to go to Philadelphia to find the #37 ranked PF in the country.   BUT....He runs the floor well, he's bouncy, he shows lots of potential fundamentally and seems to understand spacing and help side defense based on the 4 videos I just watched (he opened the right way in a screen/roll, for example..many kids don't).   If he stays 3-4 years, I can see him making an impact.  Bruiser Flint and his connections scare me because I just don't think he's that great.  Guy won 53% of his games and never did a thing as a head coach.   In his last 2 seasons, his Drexel teams went 17-44 ; and he never made the NCAA tournament in a horrible Colonial Athletic Conference.  Welcome to the kid....hope he's terrific.

I was under the impression that these rankings don't matter.

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I was as guilty as anyone of thinking Hanner Perea would contribute based off highlights.  That opinion changed in a hurry when I actually saw him play with LaLu.

After the vaunted movement class flopped other than yogi i have learnwd not to get to excited about any recruit until we actually see them play. A top ten guy like Romeo would be a different story though.

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

I was as guilty as anyone of thinking Hanner Perea would contribute based off highlights.  That opinion changed in a hurry when I actually saw him play with LaLu.

I remember after his sophomore year they had him ranked 12 in the country. He probably should not have even been top of 200 by his sr year.

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42 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I saw someone on another board say that Forrester is Archie's Tim Priller. Talk about a hot take. 

If Archie's human victory cigar is a Top 150ish recruit with offers from Xavier, Miami, Minnesota, Providence and Pitt, we're in for quite a ride during the Miller era.

[yogisballin 2,297]

From What little film that I have saw on Jake, I like this pickup personally. As someone mentioned earlier, it seems he understands "spacing" which is something someone like HMP did not. Seems to have some good coordination and hands as well.

 

Time will tell

[hoosierpap 14,300]

6 hours ago, Stromboli said:

Don't forget, Archie is from Pennsylvania, and played college ball in the ACC. 

As to Bruiser, I think he offers a lot beyond just x/o coaching. Sounds like the parents like him, and feel he will be a good figure for the young men as they transition to college.

Just bc you brought it up, not coming at you...but PA is way different than Indiana regarding connections and such. Archie is from Western PA. There is a such a large gap between Eastern PA and Western PA that, in regards to recruiting, they could be different states. He has no natural connections to Philly/Jersey/NY. If anything, Western PA (Pitt) leans west towards Ohio while Eastern PA (Philly) leans east toward Southern Jersey. I mean, I can go on my outside my house and look East and take a picture of Camden, NJ. These schools/programs interact. Central PA is just a desert for talent...Forrester was about an hour and a half- hour 45 from Philly, so he came this way. Probably over 3 to Pittsburgh. 

Brusier, being in Philly, is going to have connections in Philly, Jersey, and some in NY. Talent around here is as elite as it comes, but it's consolidated to a few programs. Not as much throughout like, say, Indiana, so "top heavy" basically. But very important because of the tip top talent.

It's important to have a presence like Flint in this area.

[Stromboli 6,076]

9 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

Just bc you brought it up, not coming at you...but PA is way different than Indiana regarding connections and such. Archie is from Western PA. There is a such a large gap between Eastern PA and Western PA that, in regards to recruiting, they could be different states. He has no natural connections to Philly/Jersey/NY. If anything, Western PA (Pitt) leans west towards Ohio while Eastern PA (Philly) leans east toward Southern Jersey. Central PA is just a desert for talent...Forrester was about an hour and a half- hour 45 from Philly, so he came this way. Probably over 3 to Pittsburgh. 

Brusier, being in Philly, is going to have connections in Philly, Jersey, and some in NY. Talent around here is as elite as it comes, but it's consolidated to a few programs. Not as much throughout like, say, Indiana, so "top heavy" basically. But very important because of the tip top talent.

Appreciate the insight, hoosierpap!

[hoosierpap 14,300]

And fwiw, I know it seems weird that I'm more plugged in to Indiana than where I actually live but I have limited basketball connections here in Philly. Family in Indiana helps me out. But, in talking to two guys today...they like Forrester...they are also are sure he is a stretch 4...gotta catch some of his HS games. Wish I still lived in West Chester.

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27 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

And fwiw, I know it seems weird that I'm more plugged in to Indiana than where I actually live but I have limited basketball connections here in Philly. Family in Indiana helps me out. But, in talking to two guys today...they like Forrester...they are also are sure he is a stretch 4...gotta catch some of his HS games. Wish I still lived in West Chester.

Don't they see Race as a stretch 4 as well? I know we're looking to field forwards with length and go the "positionless" route, but seems weird to recruit 2 players in the same class that are basically supposed to play the same spot. 

I guess from reading around I thought the staff saw Forrester as our Center, for lack of a better term.

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6 minutes ago, VO5 said:

Don't they see Race as a stretch 4 as well? I know we're looking to field forwards with length and go the "positionless" route, but seems weird to recruit 2 players in the same class that are basically supposed to play the same spot. 

I guess from reading around I thought the staff saw Forrester as our Center, for lack of a better term.

"They" have never seen Race play. These are Philly guys. That's my point, everyone in the Indiana realm seems to be saying he is a 5. The only two people I know who have seen him, without any bias (they don't know IU's recruiting class by heart or anything) say stretch 4.

Maybe he grows (literally) into that but I'm inclined to believe that isn't what he is now.