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Someone makes a pretty reasonable post contrary to the theme of the thread and does so without attacking anyone and it’s met with “this is a bad post”. Lol what kind of BS is that? Really making people take you seriously...

Just curious - what post are you talking about


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I don’t base a coach’s evaluation on cherry-picked parts of his team’s worst games. Archie’s teams do hustle and the defense has been fine. They can’t shoot. That’s it. That’s the whole problem plaguing this program right now. If they had two guys who could reliably shoot they’d be a top 15 team. 
Yes, it is on the coach to get the shooters in the door, and like I said, if Archie can’t do that next year given the obviously gaping hole on this team then he isn’t the guy. But if he can, which he should hopefully be able to do because shooters are littered throughout the country, then when coupled with what has already been installed he may just have a competitive team going forward. 

Shooters won’t fix an offensive system that isn’t good to begin with. We are for what we expecting a guy who has never coached a good offense, to suddenly coach a good offense. It’s not going to happen.


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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


Shooters won’t fix an offensive system that isn’t good to begin with. We are for what we expecting a guy who has never coached a good offense, to suddenly coach a good offense. It’s not going to happen.


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Ed Orgeron says hi.

I’m done repeating myself on this. The team moves the ball well in the half court, much better than Crean’s teams did, and the sets do open up shots. They don’t go in, plain and simple. 

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I don’t base a coach’s evaluation on cherry-picked parts of his team’s worst games. Archie’s teams do hustle and the defense has been fine. They can’t shoot. The shots are there, but they don’t go in. That’s it. That’s the whole problem plaguing this program right now. If they had two guys who could reliably shoot they’d be a top 15 team. 
Yes, it is on the coach to get the shooters in the door, and like I said, if Archie can’t do that next year given the obviously gaping hole on this team then he isn’t the guy. But if he can, which he should hopefully be able to do because shooters are littered throughout the country, then when coupled with what has already been installed he may just have a competitive team going forward. 

I hope he can land some grad transfers that can step in quickly and help with this.


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Ed Orgeron says hi.

I’m done repeating myself on this. The team moves the ball well in the half court, much better than Crean’s teams did, and the sets do open up shots. They don’t go in, plain and simple. 

Coach O brought in a guy named Joe Brady to be the passing game coordinator. That’s what changed for LSU. That’s who made Joe Burrow into the Joe Burrow we saw. Is Archie going to bring in a guy to be the offensive coach? No.


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Is an offensive specialist going to make wide open shots go in?
This was not an effort loss, we just held a team to 59 points and outrebounded them, if wasn’t effort. We had some bad turnovers from the usual suspects and didn’t make a shot outside the paint until there were 5 minutes left in the game. 
We lost because nobody could shoot. Most of the perimeter shots missed were completely wide open. 

Well an offensive specialist can help actually develop players. Something we haven’t seen under Archie.


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I didn’t watch the game, but I expected this outcome

Maybe Archie is better at half court offense than Crean, but transition O, and shooters are a big issue, so it doesn’t matter if he has the recipe, he doesn’t have the ingredients and hasn’t shown he can develop players.

Honestly at this point it seems to be a lateral move from Crean.


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So, do you want an offensive specialist or a player development coach? I thought Schilling was one of the best player development guys? May be this is on the players. All during Crean’s tenure everyone wanted to say he had nothing to do with guys getting better, it was all the players work ethic, now many of those same people want to blame Archie for guys like Green, Smith and Durham not getting better (which isn’t really true, as much as Green and Durham frustrate me, they have improved).
This loss was 100% on the players. Their effort was good and we played hard, but at some point a power 5 basketball player has to sack up and make a shot. 
The offense, while definitely limited because of our personnel, got a ton of wide open shots tonight. At some point guys have to make them, Archie can’t shoot them for them. 

How about both? We are paying Archie too much money to just be a defensive coach. And the defense isn’t even that good.


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I didn’t watch the game, but I expected this outcome

Maybe Archie is better at half court offense than Crean, but transition O, and shooters are a big issue, so it doesn’t matter if he has the recipe, he doesn’t have the ingredients and hasn’t shown he can develop players.

Honestly at this point it seems to be a lateral move from Crean.


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Even Creans halfcourt was better. Outside of zone offense. I’d honestly take the 3 man weave over the lazy pick and rolls any day.


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Loaded’s post count after a win looks like my post count in the NBA thread

Loaded’s post count after a loss looks like my post count in the college basketball thread. Lol


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If we win I give credit where it is due. But one win over Ohio State was going to change my mind on Archie. He’s not good enough for this job.


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If we win I give credit where it is due. But one win over Ohio State was going to change my mind on Archie. He’s not good enough for this job.


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I think you mean was not going to change your mind

You want me to edit that?


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