College Football Thread

[Golfman25 6,319]

45 minutes ago, bigrod said:

Yeah, I get it, but it also doesn't make sense that a university would open itself up to the ramifications (legal or otherwise) that come with a statement like that if they weren't damn sure.

The university statement is vague and can mean just about anything.  It’s now corrupted by media reporting of specifics.  I know when my son’s fraternity was investigated for hazing the report wasn’t even close.  

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59 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

The university statement is vague and can mean just about anything.  It’s now corrupted by media reporting of specifics.  I know when my son’s fraternity was investigated for hazing the report wasn’t even close.  

Terminating Fitz tells me the media might have actually had their ducks in a row on this. Because Fitz was a lifer. 

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1 hour ago, Lebowski said:

Terminating Fitz tells me the media might have actually had their ducks in a row on this. Because Fitz was a lifer. 

Yeah, but NW is ultra liberal and woke.  I'll bet most of the professors there don't even want college sports.  

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15 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

Most kids aren't going to kick another teammates @$$ because they are being hazed. Guys want to fit in, they want to show they can handle it, that it doesn't bother them. True hardcore hazing serves no purpose and doesn't bring guys together, it's just a way to humiliate, tolerate bullies or carry on some old school tradition ("I was hazed so you're going to get hazed"). Messing with teammates and making them do stupid stuff, chores, etc. isn't the same as "hazing" that has been described, true or not, which we'll never know. But nudity has been apart of sports and fraternity hazing since hazing has been a thing, so I don't find it that hard to believe. I played sports my whole life and was in a fraternity. What's being described is pretty common if indeed that type of hazing was occurring. 

IDK, I've never experienced an "Naked hazing" in my years.  And if "Big Willy Wonka" stuck his thing in my face, for whatever reason, he'd be paying for it.  But I'll say it again, if this stuff really happened at NW, we know why their football program generally sucked.  

And now, thanks to the way they handled it, it's going to suck for quite some time.  They should join the PAC 12 or something.  

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47 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

IDK, I've never experienced an "Naked hazing" in my years.  And if "Big Willy Wonka" stuck his thing in my face, for whatever reason, he'd be paying for it.  But I'll say it again, if this stuff really happened at NW, we know why their football program generally sucked.  

And now, thanks to the way they handled it, it's going to suck for quite some time.  They should join the PAC 12 or something.  

We'll see soon enough. But let's be honest, they would have struggled again regardless now that they'll have to play a more "balanced" schedule. PU and NW  benefitted tremendously playing in the west. I wouldn't say NW has been lighting it up the past few years either. 

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2 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

We'll see soon enough. But let's be honest, they would have struggled again regardless now that they'll have to play a more "balanced" schedule. PU and NW  benefitted tremendously playing in the west. I wouldn't say NW has been lighting it up the past few years either. 

They aren't serious about their sports.  Unlike Michigan, ND, and other "smart" schools they handicap their coaches via admissions, among other things.  Few coaches wind up staying very long.  

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And meanwhile back at the Rock IU football landed or the recruit landed IU over Vanderbilt and a large host of small to medium sized mid major schools…to many to list Lol.

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5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

IDK, I've never experienced an "Naked hazing" in my years.  And if "Big Willy Wonka" stuck his thing in my face, for whatever reason, he'd be paying for it.  But I'll say it again, if this stuff really happened at NW, we know why their football program generally sucked.  

And now, thanks to the way they handled it, it's going to suck for quite some time.  They should join the PAC 12 or something.  

They're losing their Kiddie Pool Division advantage after this season, so we'll see how they handle things when it's Ohio State and Michigan in the Big Ten Championship every year.

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5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Yeah, but NW is ultra liberal and woke.  I'll bet most of the professors there don't even want college sports.  

You know Evanston didn't elect a Democrat for their town mayor until '93?  Crazy ****.  But I think that's me trying to conflate the town of Evanston (where you gotta be LOADED to live there) with Northwestern University.

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9 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

They aren't serious about their sports.  Unlike Michigan, ND, and other "smart" schools they handicap their coaches via admissions, among other things.  Few coaches wind up staying very long.  

Pat Fitzgerald had been there for 17 years.  Chris Collins has been there for the last ten years.  They literally have had just two basketball coaches since 2000 and two football coaches since 1999.  So much for coaches 'not staying very long'.

And if you want to say 'smart' schools like Michigan don't handicap their coaches via admissions, Caleb Love and Terrance Shannon would like to have a word with you.

Literally everything you said after the word Unlike is 10000% false.

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Tom Allen to Northwestern.

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4 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

 

Literally everything you said after the word Unlike is 10000% false.

Literally, there is no such thing as 10000%.

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Here's the thing- all of the players are of the age that they have been taught what bullying is. Some here have the "aw shucks, just boys bein' boys" mentality, but these kids are aware of the actual implications of bullying. The ones know when they're doing wrong, and most athletes have been given such preferential treatment that they think they're exempt from consequences. Not acceptable. I was a high school athlete, and our coaches always talked about how stupid hazing is. Why torment and abuse/humiliate a TEAMMATE? To show that they can "take it"? Ridiculous

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18 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Here's the thing- all of the players are of the age that they have been taught what bullying is. Some here have the "aw shucks, just boys bein' boys" mentality, but these kids are aware of the actual implications of bullying. The ones know when they're doing wrong, and most athletes have been given such preferential treatment that they think they're exempt from consequences. Not acceptable. I was a high school athlete, and our coaches always talked about how stupid hazing is. Why torment and abuse/humiliate a TEAMMATE? To show that they can "take it"? Ridiculous

This.  There shouldn't be any defending that behavior.

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3 hours ago, bigrod said:

Literally, there is no such thing as 10000%.

I disagree 5 million percent.  

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12 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Pat Fitzgerald had been there for 17 years.  Chris Collins has been there for the last ten years.  They literally have had just two basketball coaches since 2000 and two football coaches since 1999.  So much for coaches 'not staying very long'.

And if you want to say 'smart' schools like Michigan don't handicap their coaches via admissions, Caleb Love and Terrance Shannon would like to have a word with you.

Literally everything you said after the word Unlike is 10000% false.

Not even close.  One coach doesn't make a trend.  Look at their past.  Typically their coaches move on.  Since the 1980s starting with Dennis Green until Fitz -- 4 coaches lasted about 4-6 years.  And Fitz could have gone if he wanted to, but he was at his home.  Basketball, before Carmody, you're looking at 4 coaches between 3-8 years. Most of those coaches left with woefully loosing programs.  

And once again, two players out of how many don't make something 10000% false.  Those schools have a much more lenient admissions policy for athletes than NW.  Guys like Love and Shannon, as automatic no's, couldn't even step foot on NW campus.  That has been one of the negotiation points for Fitz and Collins -- loosen up the admission requirement for athletes.   

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Not even close.  One coach doesn't make a trend.  Look at their past.  Typically their coaches move on.  Since the 1980s starting with Dennis Green until Fitz -- 4 coaches lasted about 4-6 years.  And Fitz could have gone if he wanted to, but he was at his home.  Basketball, before Carmody, you're looking at 4 coaches between 3-8 years. Most of those coaches left with woefully loosing programs.  

And once again, two players out of how many don't make something 10000% false.  Those schools have a much more lenient admissions policy for athletes than NW.  Guys like Love and Shannon, as automatic no's, couldn't even step foot on NW campus.  That has been one of the negotiation points for Fitz and Collins -- loosen up the admission requirement for athletes.   

So coaches 30 and 40 years ago moved on quickly at Northwestern?  Means nothing now and hasn't for a long time.

If you think Michigan hasn't had a problem with admissions, I don't know what else to say.  We aren't even looking at just Love and Shannon -- their two biggest transfers in the last two years -- were both lost because they couldn't get through admissions.  But it's not just transfers....Papa Kante, 70th ranked recruit this season, also couldn't get in and had to decommit.  Juwan Howard came out publicly this year about the admissions issue at Michigan.

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40 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So coaches 30 and 40 years ago moved on quickly at Northwestern?  Means nothing now and hasn't for a long time.

If you think Michigan hasn't had a problem with admissions, I don't know what else to say.  We aren't even looking at just Love and Shannon -- their two biggest transfers in the last two years -- were both lost because they couldn't get through admissions.  But it's not just transfers....Papa Kante, 70th ranked recruit this season, also couldn't get in and had to decommit.  Juwan Howard came out publicly this year about the admissions issue at Michigan.

So does Michigan football have a problem getting dudes in?  You keep showing a one off and not looking at the bigger picture.  There are guys going to Michigan for athletics who couldn't sniff NW.   And I guess we'll get to see how well their coaching search will go.  It's not a top tier job.  

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So does Michigan football have a problem getting dudes in?  You keep showing a one off and not looking at the bigger picture.  There are guys going to Michigan for athletics who couldn't sniff NW.   And I guess we'll get to see how well their coaching search will go.  It's not a top tier job.  

"One offs" doesn't equal three in just the past two years.  Name ANY basketball program that has three players in the past two years who were denied admission.

Not sure why you are bringing up Northwestern not being a top tier job.  No one ever said it was.  Your claim was that they cycle through coaches when factually they have had as stable of football/basketball coaching as anyone in the Big Ten in the past 24 years.    I think your vision of Northwestern being a program that sees coaches leave often and can't get players in because of their academic standards is something that has long been changed.  

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The NCAA announced its penalties for the U of Tennessee football program. It includes an $8 million fine and scholarship reductions among other things. It will also require them to forfeit some wins from about 4 or 5 years ago. I am wondering if their close win over IU in the Gator Bowl will be one of those wins.