UNC vs NCAA Allegations??

[Naismith 136]

Whatever happened to the NCAA allegations regarding UNC creating an eight lane highway to Academic Euphoria - "No Student Athlete Attendance Necessary ..."

 

Kelvin Sampson sends an "excessive number of texts to potential recruits," which is now permissible,  and IU's B-Ball Program gets nuked back to the beginning of mankind!!??

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,302]

??????

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I know it's a little off-topic, but since this comes up a lot in these discussions (and has before in this thread) I just think it would be beneficial to remind people...

The NCAA has not let UNC or Louisville off the hook for anything. There is absolutely no indication UNC or Louisville will not be punished by the NCAA other than the story line of "the NCAA never punishes blue chip programs". The NCAA is not a monolithic entity and these sweeping generalizations are not necessarily wrong, but they also aren't facts.

Last I heard/checked, UNC is still in the late discovery phase of their proceeding with hundreds of charges leveled in the Notice of Allegations and hundreds of thousands of documents being sorted through. The NCAA optimistically expected to be able to provide a better picture of UNC's situation sooner, but some self-reported infractions late last year resulted in delay as they now have to be included in the investigation. While this is a quasi-legal proceeding, I can say from similar experiences (as offensive as it may be to relate them) cases the size of UNCs could take years and no one involved would blink. The speed at which the NCAA renders a decision and then goes through the appeals process is ridiculously fast by comparison.

Louisville is even earlier in their proceeding, I have not heard they even received their Notice of Allegations in this case. They'll also be hammered hard because they are still under investigation for football recruiting violations. Pitino is on the hook with the NCAA unless he can affirmatively prove otherwise because there is an rebuttable presumption of knowledge that says head coaches know what their underlings are doing. So, Pitino has to show he did not know what was done in his administration.

Syracuse is an example of where this was recently applied (JB's 9-game ban). While Syracuse's punishment may seem light, it's actually one of the harshest in recent NCAA history. As people have discussed throughout this thread, part of the problem is there is so little you can really do to punish coaches and others who benefited from the infractions. Players who benefited are already gone so, maybe vacate their wins. Current players are viewed as being punished with scholarship reductions or post-season bans. Coaches are insulated from personal liability and can continue to coach as long as people will pay them.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Yep----CRICKETS is all we hear on this topic.

 

To borrow a political term---maybe UNC is "too big to fail" in the eyes of the NCAA.

 

I have to believe they are going to get sanctioned---but it won't be to the level that they deserve.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

‏@ESPNAndyKatz: NCAA's UNC allegations likely within a month http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/15107223 …

[Scooter D 928]

7 minutes ago, ccgeneral said:

‏@ESPNAndyKatz: NCAA's UNC allegations likely within a month http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/15107223 …

Shocking that it will be after the Final 4.

[Feathery 4,005]

On March 21, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Naismith said:

Whatever happened to the NCAA allegations regarding UNC creating an eight lane highway to Academic Euphoria - "No Student Athlete Attendance Necessary ..."

 

Kelvin Sampson sends an "excessive number of texts to potential recruits," which is now permissible,  and IU's B-Ball Program gets nuked back to the beginning of mankind!!??

How did the NCAA nuke IU? The guys on the team nuked IU. They were the ones failing drug tests and classes. They were the ones kicked off the team or left, leaving us a walk on. The NCAA didn't really hit us that hard in my opinion. The wounds we felt were self inflicted. 

[OliviaPope40 7,103]

HOUSTON — Jim Boeheim drew a distinction Thursday between what he considers cheating in college sports and the violations for which Syracuse was punished with a postseason ban last year.

“It’s something I regret,” Boeheim said. “I’m not happy about that. I don’t think we gained any competitive advantage at any time in this whole case that we’ve been through for 10 years. I think it weighed on us for 10 years and affected recruiting for 10 years. That’s just part of the punishment.

“But when they say ‘cheating,’ that’s not true. Rules being broken is a lot different. Cheating to me is intentionally doing something, like you wanted to get this recruit so you arranged a job for him, or you went to see him when you shouldn’t. You called him when you shouldn’t to gain an edge in recruiting to get a really good player. That’s cheating.”The NCAA investigated Syracuse for nearly eight years, ruling last March that Boeheim failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance and monitor his staff. Included in the case were charges that a Syracuse director of basketball operations completed coursework for a player to keep him eligible, that the school ignored or violated its own drug testing program and that a booster provided more than $8,000 in extra benefits for two basketball and three football players tied volunteer work at the YMCA.

The Committee on Infractions report was harshly critical of Boeheim, and former committee chairman Britton Banowsky said there were “misplaced priorities” in the program.

“Things can happen in your program,” Boeheim said. “You have to take responsibility for them. You have to go on.”

Syracuse self-imposed a postseason ban after its hearing with the Committee on Infractions and was then slapped with additional sanctions including a nine-game suspension for Boeheim, a scholarship reduction, five years of probation and returning funds from three NCAA tournament appearances. Boeheim was also forced to vacate 108 victories.

Syracuse’s penalties might have been worse had the NCAA not agreed to rule under the more lenient penalty structure rather than the one adopted last year.

Syracuse bounced back to make a surprising run to this Final Four as a No. 10 seed.

“Losing the (victories) is the most irritating thing to me because there’s many situations and past cases where similar things, exact same things happen, and games were not taken away,” Boeheim said. “We presented all that stuff, but you know, nobody listened.

“You can always disagree with how an interpretation is made by a committee in this case that’s different from that case or from this case over here. That’s one of the problems. It’s an imperfect system. Someone who is on the committee came to me and said, ‘We have a horrible, horrible model here.’”

Though Boeheim would find broad agreement in critiquing the NCAA’s regulatory model, he would probably find less sympathy on the notion that Syracuse wasn’t gaining a competitive advantage when players who would otherwise have been ineligible competed for the Orange.

“I think if something happens that you’re not aware of, it doesn’t really affect the recruit, I don’t look at it the same way,” Boeheim said. “It’s a violation. I think when rules are violated, there should be a punishment.”

Boeheim also sparred with a reporter about his retirement date, which is contractually set for after the 2017-18 season. Boeheim, 71, said earlier this week on the Dan Patrick Show he would not retire if Syracuse won the title and his comments could have even been interpreted as a desire to perhaps coach beyond the contract.

Boeheim said Thursday he has “no plans” to go further than that but said it’s possible he could retire before 2018.

“I always thought you should walk away when you can’t win anymore,” he said. “I never really thought you should walk away when you do win.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/31/jim-boeheim-rules-violations-cheating-march-madness-final-four/82478064/

Someone tell this guy to retire. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Jim Boeheim just demonstrated why his program had a culture of CHEATING under his watch. Boeheim believes he has a better understanding of what is right and wrong in college sports, and that his success allows him to interpret rules with his own best judgement.

He has fully convinced himself he's done no wrong. I have zero respect for this man.

[JaybobHoosier 12,435]

Jim Boeheim just demonstrated why his program had a culture of CHEATING under his watch. Boeheim believes he has a better understanding of what is right and wrong in college sports, and that his success allows him to interpret rules with his own best judgement.

He has fully convinced himself he's done no wrong. I have zero respect for this man.

But let's suspend players for a "boosters" ex-wife purchasing a bumper sticker..... However, programs like UNC and Syracuse have horrible issues going on, but are allowed to play. Ugh, so frustrating lol.

[Naturalhoosier 15,467]

But let's suspend players for a "boosters" ex-wife purchasing a bumper sticker..... However, programs like UNC and Syracuse have horrible issues going on, but are allowed to play. Ugh, so frustrating lol.

The NCAA inconsistencies are beyond maddening.

[Scooter D 928]

Unless the NCAA comes down hard on UNC and make them the poster child, the "cheating" will become rampant.

[Feathery 4,005]

50 minutes ago, Scooter D said:

Unless the NCAA comes down hard on UNC and make them the poster child, the "cheating" will become rampant.

And it should become rampant. Let's be honest, if a university can have fake classes and give real degrees and the NCAA does nothing,then the NCAA doesn't pose a danger to anyone. 

[Scooter D 928]

My guess...2 years probation, they will lose 1 scholly for 2 years and Roy will get a 3 game suspension.  The NCAA cannot afford to have one of its money makers on the side lines.  

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

UNC fans made a pretty strong though obviously biased argument on Reddit the other day. I'll share it here when I get home. I'm mostly making this comment to remember.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Boeheim feels he is a privileged, above the rules, coach. He is a cancerous individual in the world of coaching.

[Bryan Medema 1,488]

Anyone else think that, especially if UNC wins, the NCAA will do everything in its power to tilt to the court towards OK/NOVA next Monday? I imagine the embarrassment of having to severely reprimand the standing champion would be virtually impossible, but the runner up? Not so much.

[colonel06 1,938]

Sidebar: Dan Dakich having excellent Interview w/ Frank Martin on error message to So Carolina team that they made NCAA!

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

Anyone else think that, especially if UNC wins, the NCAA will do everything in its power to tilt to the court towards OK/NOVA next Monday? I imagine the embarrassment of having to severely reprimand the standing champion would be virtually impossible, but the runner up? Not so much.

UNC's men's basketball program won't be nailed with harsh sanctions. The athletic department will push to make the issue an academic and university issue. Listen to some of the talking heads who have already been lobbying for the basketball program. There will be a crap ton of CBB fans of all programs who look at the punishment and laugh. The NCAA is a terribly corrupt organization who has played favorites for decades. Unfortunately, the punishment won't for the crime.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,735]

I don't know that I'd go quite as far as to say the NCAA is "terribly corrupt" but I certainly agree that the overwhelming odds are that the penalty won't fit the crime for the TurdHeels.   The academic fraud they committed for years is truly hard to fathom and if ever a school deserved a near death penalty it's them.