New Coach Salary And Criteria...$5 million?

[MikeRoberts]

It sucks but that is the reality of this. Stevens is the only coach that will make this entire fan base happy.

a winning coach is the only coach that will make this fanbase happy. His name doesn't have to be Stevens

[Zachary Farmer]

If we get Stevens could he potentially snag Maker or Alkins in 2016 with his NBA coaching experience? Both are spring decisions which is about the same time Stevens would be getting on the recruiting scene again.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

The cart is so far out in front of the horse with the Stevens talk the poor horse would need a Segway to catch up.  IMO, it ain't gonna happen. 

[HoosierAloha]

The cart is so far out in front of the horse with the Stevens talk the poor horse would need a Segway to catch up. IMO, it ain't gonna happen.

I feel pretty confident Stevens returns to the college ranks. I'm not so confident it's anytime soon though.

[mdn82]

a winning coach is the only coach that will make this fanbase happy. His name doesn't have to be Stevens

You say that now but watch us get someone of lesser value. There is always something this fan base won't like. It's the nature of things. I will continually stand by Stevens is the only coach theoretically out there that could come to IU that would make us all happy.

[hoosierpap]

If we get Stevens could he potentially snag Maker or Alkins in 2016 with his NBA coaching experience? Both are spring decisions which is about the same time Stevens would be getting on the recruiting scene again.

The eternal optimist.

 

 

You say that now but watch us get someone of lesser value. There is always something this fan base won't like. It's the nature of things. I will continually stand by Stevens is the only coach theoretically out there that could come to IU that would make us all happy.

The reality.

[MikeRoberts]

You say that now but watch us get someone of lesser value. There is always something this fan base won't like. It's the nature of things. I will continually stand by Stevens is the only coach theoretically out there that could come to IU that would make us all happy.

you are thinking immediately I believe, I am talking longterm. If per say, Miller came, that wouldn't get 100% of the fanbase jazzed immediately but if he took us to a final 4 in the first few years and showed an ability to build a program and win consistently, he would have the support no doubt

[mdn82]

you are thinking immediately I believe, I am talking longterm. If per say, Miller came, that wouldn't get 100% of the fanbase jazzed immediately but if he took us to a final 4 in the first few years and showed an ability to build a program and win consistently, he would have the support no doubt

We all said the same about Crean but his mannerisms clashed with people. This is during the rebuild. People weren't talking about his coaching. He just isn't a Hoosier. Stevens is. I think that truly matters to quite a few people.

Even when we are the number 1 team in the country. Number 1 offense. Most of the year top 25 defense people were quick to jump any time we lost. So before the Sweet 16 winning didn't matter. Some just don't like Crean. Which is fine. We need Stevens or we are going to be doing this again in 7 years.

[8bucks]

We all said the same about Crean but his mannerisms clashed with people. This is during the rebuild. People weren't talking about his coaching. He just isn't a Hoosier. Stevens is. I think that truly matters to quite a few people.

Even when we are the number 1 team in the country. Number 1 offense. Most of the year top 25 defense people were quick to jump any time we lost. So before the Sweet 16 winning didn't matter. Some just don't like Crean. Which is fine. We need Stevens or we are going to be doing this again in 7 years.

I think you make some good points but Creans seat is not hot today because of his mannerisms. Sure some were turned off early on but many, like myself, turned from an avid defender to doubter over time. The turn occurred because of his inability to maintain success which caused me to look back at his Marquette days and noticed the same thing.

Had Crean kept winning those of us who turned the last few years did so because of the swings and inconsistencies. If our next guy has the same lack of consistency then we will be back in a few years. If he wins consistently then those who complain about clapping type of things are drowned out but the rest of us

[coonhounds]

I think you make some good points but Creans seat is not hot today because of his mannerisms. Sure some were turned off early on but many, like myself, turned from an avid defender to doubter over time. The turn occurred because of his inability to maintain success which caused me to look back at his Marquette days and noticed the same thing.

Had Crean kept winning those of us who turned the last few years did so because of the swings and inconsistencies. If our next guy has the same lack of consistency then we will be back in a few years. If he wins consistently then those who complain about clapping type of things are drowned out but the rest of us

you are 100 percent correct. If crean had hung a banner by now and had a couple deep tourney runs 98 percent of fans would be backing him. There wasn't very many complaints after the wat shot imo

[mdn82]

you are 100 percent correct. If crean had hung a banner by now and had a couple deep tourney runs 98 percent of fans would be backing him. There wasn't very many complaints after the wat shot imo

Offense, defense and turnovers were still the complaints. I remember giving people short vacations after that game due to trolling people. So as much as what you say it should be, it really wasn't. How many coaches would have hung a banner at IU now over the last couple of years we could have theoretically got? We aren't asking for a lot coming out of the Sampson mess... A couple deep tourney runs and a banner? Only Duke and UK have done what you ask since Crean came in. Basically by those standards no coach in America could live up to that would come to IU. Which brings me back to Stevens...

[Uspshoosier]

Offense, defense and turnovers were still the complaints. I remember giving people short vacations after that game due to trolling people. So as much as what you say it should be, it really wasn't. How many coaches would have hung a banner at IU now over the last couple of years we could have theoretically got? We aren't asking for a lot coming out of the Sampson mess... A couple deep tourney runs and a banner? Only Duke and UK have done what you ask since Crean came in.

i would add uconn as well

[mdn82]

i would add uconn as well

But how much would this fan base hate the APR, and postseason bans? Wouldn't be allowed here.

[Uspshoosier]

But how much would this fan base hate the APR, and postseason bans? Wouldn't be allowed here.

good point

[8bucks]

Offense, defense and turnovers were still the complaints. I remember giving people short vacations after that game due to trolling people. So as much as what you say it should be, it really wasn't. How many coaches would have hung a banner at IU now over the last couple of years we could have theoretically got? We aren't asking for a lot coming out of the Sampson mess... A couple deep tourney runs and a banner? Only Duke and UK have done what you ask since Crean came in. Basically by those standards no coach in America could live up to that would come to IU. Which brings me back to Stevens...

I think you are right that if we hire someone other than BS we still have some factions out there that would complain. There will be many however ready to move on from Crean and that coach would have a lot of support from day 1. The detractors may not be on board but if that coach keeps winning then he maintains a lot of support.

Crean had fans against him early on but he also had s lot of fans on board. We started dropping our support as Crean could not maintain wins and kids started having off court issues.

So the new non BS coach may not have all the support but if he wins consistently and at a high level then he would still have a lot of support.

[coonhounds]

Offense, defense and turnovers were still the complaints. I remember giving people short vacations after that game due to trolling people. So as much as what you say it should be, it really wasn't. How many coaches would have hung a banner at IU now over the last couple of years we could have theoretically got? We aren't asking for a lot coming out of the Sampson mess... A couple deep tourney runs and a banner? Only Duke and UK have done what you ask since Crean came in. Basically by those standards no coach in America could live up to that would come to IU. Which brings me back to Stevens...

I believe people complained but not as many as now wanted a new coach. I have always disliked our offense at times under crean. The turnovers and defense i don't remember being as atrocious as it had been the last couple of years earlier on in his time here. We will never have people not complain on here because to many people have different opinions on what they would like to see and that is ok. If crean was winning at a higher level we wouldn't be in the mess we are in currently with disappointed fans imo. I am sure people would have been on here complaining towards the end of Knights time and during davis lol. It is just part of being a fan I think

[WayneFleekHoosier]

That year was pretty tremendous and I could handle years like that on the regular but there were still plenty of WTF moments that season. Butler game in total. End of Illinois game. Temple. SYRACUSE, and our play in general leading into the big ten tournament and in the big ten tournament.

[Old Friend]

The money is there, the resources are there, the facilities are there, the history is there, the fans are there, Bloomington is awesome. All they need is their COACH.

If I were Fred Glass, this is my sales pitch.  I'd fly to Boston when the season's over, offer as much money as we can, say JUST the above (with a couple of slight edits), and shut up.  This is perfect.

[Old Friend]

Offense, defense and turnovers were still the complaints. I remember giving people short vacations after that game due to trolling people. So as much as what you say it should be, it really wasn't. How many coaches would have hung a banner at IU now over the last couple of years we could have theoretically got? We aren't asking for a lot coming out of the Sampson mess... A couple deep tourney runs and a banner? Only Duke and UK have done what you ask since Crean came in. Basically by those standards no coach in America could live up to that would come to IU. Which brings me back to Stevens...

I really don't think it's banner or bust.  I think it's "compete for the Big Ten in most if not all seasons," and give us a consistent product on the floor that looks like the team is getting better."    Everything else will take care of itself as long as that's the standard.  Winning a banner will happen at Indiana if we're consistently at the top of the Big Ten.....or at least final fours will happen.

 

Indiana has the same problems on the floor they've always had under Crean, and the violent swings from top to bottom to ranked in the top 15 to losing twice in the Maui Invitational to very mediocre teams to.....   It's exhausting.  And his comments about lack of a front court make me absolutely crazy.  Nobody else to blame, Tommy my boy.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I really don't think it's banner or bust. I think it's "compete for the Big Ten in most if not all seasons," and give us a consistent product on the floor that looks like the team is getting better." Everything else will take care of itself as long as that's the standard. Winning a banner will happen at Indiana if we're consistently at the top of the Big Ten.....or at least final fours will happen.

Indiana has the same problems on the floor they've always had under Crean, and the violent swings from top to bottom to ranked in the top 15 to losing twice in the Maui Invitational to very mediocre teams to..... It's exhausting. And his comments about lack of a front court make me absolutely crazy. Nobody else to blame, Tommy my boy.

agree completely. Not banner or bust for me either. Just want to be top 3 B1G consistently with improving teams demonstrating fundamentals and recruiting success. And not just stars. For Crean, he needs stars, superstar driven NBA offenses with weave/pick/pop/dribble drive offense need stars. Other coaches need pieces that fit and Denzel Valentines to blossom, or Fred Van Fleets, or Frank Kaminsky's. Moldable talent. If the coach wins I will care far, far less about recruiting and trust the winning coach to get it done.