Is IU Content to be Little Engine that Could?

[TheWatShot 14,497]

I love how the majority of comments on that article are a bunch of non-IU fans saying Crean deserves to stay here because he saved the program and had a young team that finished 7th in the Big Ten instead of 9th. There was an article on ESPN last night where a ton of people were saying the same thing. 

 

 

When non-IU fans think IU's coach should stay, that tells you everything you need to know. 

[Hoosier Roots 745]

You might be right but just hang on youngster and let us ol geezers try to take this to another level. I think you will thank us later.

I really hope so.

[colonel06 1,921]

I really don't think he (Glass) is complacent so much I think he sees it as a longer term objective than many of us fans.  He also sees other issues such as CTC contract as well as other I'm sure. 

 

 I just hope and pray that Mary Ellen Bishop, Phil Eskew Jr. and some of the other trustees are not  complacent so as to keep Glass'  a** in the fight!

[bnkepner 1,509]

I think Glass, Crean, and the majority of admins and staff at IU are completely fine with us being middle of the road. Most of them were not around when IU was a consistent winner. I barely even remember that time. I was born in 1990 so I was old enough to watch their run to the tourney in 2001-02 but even after that they weren't consistent. We had a nice year or two with Cody, Watford, Hulls, etc. but we haven't had a winning attitude in years and I think the university is fine with that sadly. I don't see them doing anything about Crean until next year when we are in the same boat all over again

[Greyghost 42]

Wisconsin football and basketball used to be mediocre, at best. Then, the university made the commitment to get a fireball of an athletic director, who recruited Barry Alvarez. With major support, Wisconsin became a football beast and they remain that today. And, like him or not, Bo Ryan has built the basketball program in much the same way for the past 14 years. With discipline, fundamentals, and situational grasp. Notice them ever being at a disadvantage late in games because of poor coaching? Maybe a good question to ask would be about the true depth of IU's support for the major programs. I think we can be so much better, but unless the backing is there, we are relegated to looking like the Wisconsin of 1979.

[Alford Bailey 12,461]

Wisconsin football and basketball used to be mediocre, at best. Then, the university made the commitment to get a fireball of an athletic director, who recruited Barry Alvarez. With major support, Wisconsin became a football beast and they remain that today. And, like him or not, Bo Ryan has built the basketball program in much the same way for the past 14 years. With discipline, fundamentals, and situational grasp. Notice them ever being at a disadvantage late in games because of poor coaching? Maybe a good question to ask would be about the true depth of IU's support for the major programs. I think we can be so much better, but unless the backing is there, we are relegated to looking like the Wisconsin of 1979.

Agree. I think you can look at what Jurich did at Louisville as well.

[Greyghost 42]

You wish that you could know what will drive the institution to a higher level. Louisville, Wisconsin, Kansas State---we can regain our groove, but not without sensible hires and appropriate reward. CTC's contract adjustments were done on the basis of promise and not performance

[Beowulf50 816]

"No question we need to improve defense, in game coaching, basketball IQ, and recruiting."

[Beowulf50 816]

You wish that you could know what will drive the institution to a higher level. Louisville, Wisconsin, Kansas State---we can regain our groove, but not without sensible hires and appropriate reward. CTC's contract adjustments were done on the basis of promise and not performance

I agree. Glass had a fan knee jerk moment there. Things were looking good, we had Zeller and momentum. It faded fast!

[AZ Hoosier 8,546]

You wish that you could know what will drive the institution to a higher level. Louisville, Wisconsin, Kansas State---we can regain our groove, but not without sensible hires and appropriate reward. CTC's contract adjustments were done on the basis of promise and not performance

Not unlike a certain US POTUS being awarded the Nobel prize in anticipation of his potential. We all know how that turned out.

IU Athletics is no different. Both of IU and the country have been handcuffed and saddled with underperformance since.


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[mamasa 15,574]

Not unlike a certain US POTUS being awarded the Nobel prize in anticipation of his potential. We all know how that turned out.

IU Athletics is no different. Both of IU and the country have been handcuffed and saddled with underperformance since.


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Keep the politics out of here

[HoosierTrav 7,968]

If and when there is a coaching change made, we will know the answer

. This!

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,716]

I think Glass, Crean, and the majority of admins and staff at IU are completely fine with us being middle of the road. Most of them were not around when IU was a consistent winner. I barely even remember that time. I was born in 1990 so I was old enough to watch their run to the tourney in 2001-02 but even after that they weren't consistent. We had a nice year or two with Cody, Watford, Hulls, etc. but we haven't had a winning attitude in years and I think the university is fine with that sadly. I don't see them doing anything about Crean until next year when we are in the same boat all over again

There well could be a conscious decision to never let either the head basketball or football coach achieve godlike status (RMK) to the point that the coach runs the athletic department and not the other way around.   Thus, a level somewhere just above mediocre may be the desired level for both IU basketball and football.   Make the NCAA just often enough; make a minor bowl periodically; don't be the league doormat and after awhile the fan base will be giddy and accept those lowly expectations.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Dakich has brought this issue up. A few months ago. Said he witnessed it in thr early 2000s

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Since Knight was fired, I have heard many times from people I trust that the IU administration does not want another coach who is "bigger than the university". I think that mindset has definitely hurt the basketball program.

[PointBlank 116]

We all know I've had my issues with Doyel in the past, but he hit a home run on this article and it raises some really good questions.

I'd love to see Fred Glass answer that question.

Question for you all, do you think Glass & IU are content with our performance? (This is not a question on if you are content, we all know NONE of us are.)

Read it: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/03/20/doyel-iu-plays-best-basketball-loses/25114069/

 

Glass gives too many coach speak answers. He should stand behind his coaches but he goes beyond the normal stance. At times one would swear he is the actual coach of the football or basketball programs. I tire of the excuses from Glass, but in a way I admire him for supporting his under performing coaches. In public it appears he always has the backs of these guys no matter how they perform which is understandable.

[Hoosier Roots 745]

There well could be a conscious decision to never let either the head basketball or football coach achieve godlike status (RMK) to the point that the coach runs the athletic department and not the other way around. Thus, a level somewhere just above mediocre may be the desired level for both IU basketball and football. Make the NCAA just often enough; make a minor bowl periodically; don't be the league doormat and after awhile the fan base will be giddy and accept those lowly expectations.

So we are systematically mediocre. Great. How do you even fix that?

[323SGrant 1,176]

One approach is to him them where it hurts the most.... their wallet. Money talks or lack thereof.

[Stuhoo 83,509]

Tom Izzo has now gone to seven Sweet 16s in the last eight years.

 

We have not done as well.

[JSHoosier 20,939]

Tom Izzo has now gone to seven Sweet 16s in the last eight years.

 

We have not done as well.

That kind of embarrasses the two for Crean.

 

I wouldn't bet against Izzo in March.