I'M TIRED OF IU SUCKING!!!!!

[JSHoosier 20,321]

I'd take Donovan first of those two because of his proven track record but I must say that with all the mentions that Stevens has gotten its cause me to kinda research him a little and I like what I read.
I know that he went to the final game twice but to me even more impressive was that even after those players moved on he was able to regroup and reach the sweet sixteen a couple years later.
I like the fact his team's repetitively over achieved.
They won some big games when missing key players.
He's from Indiana which would help recruit the state which I think is crucial.
I like the fact that he and Butler were in on recruiting right up to the end. Even though Cody went to IU that is a family that had been through that recruiting process before and knew how to weed out the slackers...and he didn't get weeded out!
There is definitely a lot to be impressed with in his resume.

The guy won his conference 4 times in 6 years, and never finished worse than tied for 3rd.  Never won less than 22 games, won a minimum of 26 in 5 of 6.  That's pretty impressive even in a fairly small sample size.  He was in a weaker conference, but Butler doesn't offer the resources we do either.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

We ALL spar and joust and tease each other----but we ALL also know IU BBall is at a major crossroads---I too believe time is short for Crean if he doesn't get back on track starting THIS YEAR.  Some may disagree about whether he deserves to be here now---or whether he gets 1 or 2 more years---and some may think he has earned multiple years---but the simple truth is he must win at IU and we should be a perennial powerhouse in college basketball and we are going on the second year since the rebuild that we are not near the top.  He has this year to get back to the tourney for me and then I expect us back near the top next year again.  Anything short of that is unacceptable to me.  I personally think he's a good Coach (not a great Coach) and get tired of all the ridiculous and baseless pot-shots he takes ---but I am also not convinced that he's the right Coach for the job--we find out this year for me and probably next year for the Administration.  I personally still hope he does it---because we could and have done a lot worse.  I like Crean and am still willing to give him a fair shot this year to show he's the right Coach for the job.  I agree that we have to win with 2 burger boys and multiple 4 stars---as Coach--he is ultimately responsible for results.  My 2 cents.  Go Coach Crean and go Hoosiers!

 

And with all of that being said---I will continue being the crude and sarcastic old schooler who serves as a foil to all the negativity and idiocy currently being spewed on BTown Banners. LOL!

 

You wouldn't expect anything less---- now would you?  :rtfm: :angry: :ninja: :120:
 

[hoosierinIll 335]

Celtics improved to 4-9 with another loss last night.

4-10 now. I still think you don't hire anyone at this point except Stevens. Maybe Glass is playing the waiting game for this reason? This hire must to be the right one. He's a no brainer.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

4-10 now. I still think you don't hire anyone at this point except Stevens. Maybe Glass is playing the waiting game for this reason? This hire must to be the right one. He's a no brainer.

 

Coach Crean still has at least this season to right the ship----and turning your argument around---is Stevens the answer?  He only has the same final four pedigree as Crean and a good record in a weaker conference then the Big Ten---and he's not exactly tearing it up in the NBA.  Just saying---IU better find the right guy if change is made because in this era of parity---the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

 

No--I will not re-start the saga of the grass.   LOL!  :biggrin:
 

[8bucks 6,477]

Coach Crean still has at least this season to right the ship----and turning your argument around---is Stevens the answer? He only has the same final four pedigree as Crean and a good record in a weaker conference then the Big Ten---and he's not exactly tearing it up in the NBA. Just saying---IU better find the right guy if change is made because in this era of parity---the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

No--I will not re-start the saga of the grass. LOL! :biggrin:

I am not sure Stevens is a home run hire but his 2 FF, and 2 championship games is equal to Creans 1 FF?

[JSHoosier 20,321]

Coach Crean still has at least this season to right the ship----and turning your argument around---is Stevens the answer?  He only has the same final four pedigree as Crean and a good record in a weaker conference then the Big Ten---and he's not exactly tearing it up in the NBA.  Just saying---IU better find the right guy if change is made because in this era of parity---the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

 

No--I will not re-start the saga of the grass.   LOL!  :biggrin:
 

I firmly believe Stevens could win big here.  He'd have resources here he didn't have at Butler, and he was pretty darn good at Butler.  They don't really have the same pedigree either, Stevens went to the Final Four (actually the title game) twice in 6 years while Crean has one in 15.  I've been on record saying Crean's one year was a fluke and followed it up by missing the tournament 2 straight years, Stevens followed it up by doing it again without Gordon Hayward.

 

In his six seasons at Butler he won no less than 22 games, and at least 26 in five of those.  Never finished worse than 3rd, and won his conference 4 times.  Crean has won his conference twice in 15 years and has finished in the top 3 just 4 times.  No it's really not the same, his pedigree is more impressive.

 

No hire is a home run, there are no guarantees, but if Stevens was willing to come here I'd kick Crean to the curb then walk to Boston and bring him back in a wheelbarrow THEN do cartwheels down Kirkwood Ave.  And there's not an Indiana fan around that shouldn't feel the exact same way.  That hire would make a splash, that hire would make headlines and bring a bunch of positive vibes to the program.

[JSHoosier 20,321]

I am not sure Stevens is a home run hire but his 2 FF, and 2 championship games is equal to Creans 1 FF?

There are no home run hires really, there is no guarantee with any coach, but Stevens is about as close is it gets IMO.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

No wonder Kepner have left this site---it gets so old to see every thread turn into the same old thing.

 

 

He did? 

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Stevens as a proven recruiter is a interesting point. I do not think he would be out recruiting the same types of players that we are getting now. High basketball IQ and team players would probably trump high end athletes in his system. Fewer to the pros, but he'd go after the guys who would play his system.

[JSHoosier 20,321]

Stevens as a proven recruiter is a interesting point. I do not think he would be out recruiting the same types of players that we are getting now. High basketball IQ and team players would probably trump high end athletes in his system. Fewer to the pros, but he'd go after the guys who would play his system.

Thing is we don't know, and wouldn't know until he got here.  We didn't know how Crean would be able to recruit.

 

Honestly, I would take the high IQ team player over the athlete.  Give me "basketball players" over "athletes" any day of the week.

[TheStillman 991]

I hate stoking the Stevens fire because I don't think he would come here right now but he'd be a home run hire. I don't think he'd have any issue recruiting.

[8bucks 6,477]

There are no home run hires really, there is no guarantee with any coach, but Stevens is about as close is it gets IMO.

I agree. He would be the first call I make.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Good discussion----but you have to admit even Stevens would be a gamble----one---by the way--- that I would also be interested in if Crean doesn't get it done. (Progress or change is coming---one way or the other!)

 

Donovan seems less of a gamble having already won championships and being from a power conference--but we would have to pay for him and I think IU should be willing to pony up next time if it occurs to get it right.

 

Still hoping Crean gets it turned around----but I admit time is running out.

[BGleas 7,917]

I used to share the same recruiting worries about Stevens, but a couple points on that. 1) He's gotten glowing reviews by people in the NBA and now has stronger NBA connections, 2) He's got a lot of street cred among players right now, he's just a hot name in basketball right now and 3) Indiana recruits itself to an extent, each of our last 4 head coaches has recruited McDonalds All-Americans to Indiana, that wouldn't change under Stevens.

Bonus point, the guy can flat out coach basketball.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I agree with that BGleas----Stevens does seem to be a good  X's and O's guy from the few games I have watched him coach.

[jonz44 810]

I firmly believe Stevens could win big here. He'd have resources here he didn't have at Butler, and he was pretty darn good at Butler. They don't really have the same pedigree either, Stevens went to the Final Four (actually the title game) twice in 6 years while Crean has one in 15. I've been on record saying Crean's one year was a fluke and followed it up by missing the tournament 2 straight years, Stevens followed it up by doing it again without Gordon Hayward.

In his six seasons at Butler he won no less than 22 games, and at least 26 in five of those. Never finished worse than 3rd, and won his conference 4 times. Crean has won his conference twice in 15 years and has finished in the top 3 just 4 times. No it's really not the same, his pedigree is more impressive.

No hire is a home run, there are no guarantees, but if Stevens was willing to come here I'd kick Crean to the curb then walk to Boston and bring him back in a wheelbarrow THEN do cartwheels down Kirkwood Ave. And there's not an Indiana fan around that shouldn't feel the exact same way. That hire would make a splash, that hire would make headlines and bring a bunch of positive vibes to the program.

I can't afford to take off work and walk to Boston with you but...I'd be willing to pay for a nice pair of walking shoes and give you a per diem for your trip! Lol
TBH, I'd really like to see Crean and this team get it together and turn this season around but more than anything I don't want mediocrity!
I fear we will win 17-18 games and the powers that be will call that progress.
I just think that if Crean was capable of being a big time winner he'd already be one and we wouldn't be having these discussions.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

We are all going to know more in the next couple of months about whether Crean was able to right the ship or not as I agree with jonz44---- I won't accept another 17-18 win season either. Doesn't mean Crean isn't a good Coach---just means he wasn't good enough to get it done at IU. I like him and hope he wins 20 plus and we make the tourney---but we shall see.

[8bucks 6,477]

We are all going to know more in the next couple of months about whether Crean was able to right the ship or not as I agree with jonz44---- I won't accept another 17-18 win season either. Doesn't mean Crean isn't a good Coach---just means he wasn't good enough to get it done at IU. I like him and hope he wins 20 plus and we make the tourney---but we shall see.

Well we might know. I think we learn if he is not the right coach but if he rights the ship just enough to extend his stay that does not necessarily mean his the right guy long turn.

Would love to see something definitive on the positive side beyond just making the tourney but that seems a long shot. So I think we either learn his not the right guy or we extend this uncertainty another year.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Well we might know. I think we learn if he is not the right coach but if he rights the ship just enough to extend his stay that does not necessarily mean his the right guy long turn.

Would love to see something definitive on the positive side beyond just making the tourney but that seems a long shot. So I think we either learn his not the right guy or we extend this uncertainty another year.

 

Your opinion is not too far from mine.

 

Since the rebuild---Crean had one year overachieving/sweet 16--one excellent year with Big Title/top ranking/sweet 16--and one subpar year last year. 

 

He cannot have a less than 20 win season or not make NCAA this year---or it's time for a change.

 

And--if we make the 20 wins and tourney this year---next year he has to do much better as in top 15 and be a real contender for Big Ten and National Championships. We have a right to expect IU to be a perennial contender as we are still a premier basketball program.

 

There will be rebuilds with any Coach but we should be a contender for titles every 2-3 years at IU.

 

 

 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

And yes--I am optimistic--that we can still get all the above requirements met under Crean---but I agree he has to start now.