I'M TIRED OF IU SUCKING!!!!!

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,918]

Not a direct reply to you, but I'm using your post as a jumping off point.

For as much as posters want to complain about the criticisms, being critical isn't much of an issue. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. The problem comes when fans stop caring, the coach is losing the fans not when they're critical of him but when they no longer care.

The Pitt game won't be enough for me either, as sad as that is. They are a marginal opponent and we get them at Home! We should not lose to teams like that at home. On the road, sure. Neutral site, sure. Not at home. I am viewing this game as a must win for the program. I actually think we find a way to win.

I was a pretty big Crean supporter up until non-conference last season. Some of those 2012-13 losses were on him in retrospect too (Butler, Illinois on road, Syracuse, others) but I was a big time supporter until early last season.

The recruiting success kept my hopes up. Now that that is gone, I've lost hope in him. He is doing better in-game coaching in regards to substituting, but the rest of his in-game coaching is a mess. He has enough talent to win a lot of games this season. I hope the team wins a lot of games in spite of his efforts and we replace him with an Elite level coach.

No reason INDIANA can't have the type of success as Louisville, Florida, Ohio State, Arizona etc. Our fan support, finances, tradition are in alignment to be a traditional powerhouse. Crean just about got us there, problem was he couldn't coach and now he has a stigma. Get the right coach and things will fall in line.

[yogisballin 2,295]

It's a different world and I get all coaches are dealing with it, but Coach Knight would have a Senior Cody and a Sophomore Vonleh at his disposal this season and we'd be top 3.

Yeah good point but I'm not buying it! How many other programs can say the same? Plenty!!!! And most are fine

[schoosier 3,451]

Not a direct reply to you, but I'm using your post as a jumping off point.
 
For as much as posters want to complain about the criticisms, being critical isn't much of an issue.  The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy.  The problem comes when fans stop caring, the coach is losing the fans not when they're critical of him but when they no longer care.

Mike Davis years 2.0. This was before the B1G channel so like me if you lived out of state, you couldn't watch anyway. I go into every game wanting us to win but fully understand if the game gets tight it won't go in our favor. Crean just doesn't have it in him.

[colonel06 1,913]

It's a different world and I get all coaches are dealing with it, but Coach Knight would have a Senior Cody and a Sophomore Vonleh at his disposal this season and we'd be top 3.

 

It's a different world and I get all coaches are dealing with it, but Coach Knight would have a Senior Cody and a Sophomore Vonleh at his disposal this season and we'd be top 3.

 

I just can't believe we've fallen off so bad since Victor and Cody left.  I really want Coach Crean to make it happen, but I honestly feel that the Sweet 16 teams that he had might be the pinnacle of his career while at Indiana.  Fred Glass has also seemed to be a guy that I like, and I know that he's got a tough job as well, but I just don't see how he can keep Crean after another season of not making the tournament.  I know that we have a lot of Season left before it's all said and done, but I've seen nothing thus far that would lead me to believe that this a team that can reach the tournament much less make any noise in it.  I appreciate how Fred Glass has given Coach Crean a lot of loyalty, but is it worth it if holding on to a Coach too long gets your fired?

L-T Its easy enough to drop Phil Eskew or other Trustees a line or two be email and let them know your feelings - they usually respond.

[MikeRoberts 6,914]

I am already on record---before the season saying we need to change Coach if we have another subpar year this year and don't make the NCAA tourney.

What I will not do is play the doom and gloom game and write the season off before it even gets started when we all know we have a young team that has to learn how to play big time defense quickly---I think we still get it done.

I have a lot of optimism---I think we will beat Pitt.

Our guards will help us win a lot of games this year.

It is just too early to panic.

can't speak for others but I know for me, I am looking at the bigger picture and not just at wins. In the big picture, Crean has had 2 recruiting classes where he needed a serviceable center, really 2 and he got zero. He also needed seniors to balance out the classes and provide leadership and he got zero. He needed to keep up his holier than thou image and he didn't by having half of his scholarship players with drug and alcohol violations, one of which will miss the whole season over. He has needed a backup pg to give us depth and eventually take the reigns from Yogi as he might be gone after this season and he has failed to get a true pg two years in a row. He is still a poor in game coach and this team looks unorganized and defense and rebounding are nonexistent. Whether we win 12, 17, 20 games, I don't care when it comes to him. He is just not suited to be the head coach at IU.

It's more than just our W/L this season


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[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Back from Christmas Shopping---can see not much has changed with the Bah-Humbuggers.....

 

This site has turned into Chicken Little Country----The Sky Is Falling!---The Sky is Falling!

 

It may Fall by the end of the year---but it hasn't yet.

 

I am looking for some progress when we play Pitt!

 

Go Hoosiers--I for one am willing to give you a chance to improve---especially on D---we have the athleticism and talent.

 

Let's get it done!

[Naturalhoosier 15,407]

Notre Dame has lost 5 of 6. You reversible jacket guys must be reeling! Lol

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

I'm certainly not reeling. It's been a great Thanksgiving holiday at our house.

[jonz44 805]

Florida also improved to 3-3 with another loss.

I'd take either one of those coaches. And feel so good.

[JSHoosier 19,810]

I might actually watch the grumpy cat movie on Lifetime.  I fully expect that movie to suck out loud like pretty much everything else that channel makes, but it can't be any worse than paying EW to beat us at home  :D .

Scratch that, I was wrong.  It somehow managed to be much worse.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I'd take either one of those coaches. And feel so good.

 

Until the first loss? :biggrin:

 

Sorry--couldn't resist--jonz44--injecting a little humor!
 

[jonz44 805]

The Pitt game won't be enough for me either, as sad as that is. They are a marginal opponent and we get them at Home! We should not lose to teams like that at home. On the road, sure. Neutral site, sure. Not at home. I am viewing this game as a must win for the program. I actually think we find a way to win.

I was a pretty big Crean supporter up until non-conference last season. Some of those 2012-13 losses were on him in retrospect too (Butler, Illinois on road, Syracuse, others) but I was a big time supporter until early last season.

The recruiting success kept my hopes up. Now that that is gone, I've lost hope in him. He is doing better in-game coaching in regards to substituting, but the rest of his in-game coaching is a mess. He has enough talent to win a lot of games this season. I hope the team wins a lot of games in spite of his efforts and we replace him with an Elite level coach.

No reason INDIANA can't have the type of success as Louisville, Florida, Ohio State, Arizona etc. Our fan support, finances, tradition are in alignment to be a traditional powerhouse. Crean just about got us there, problem was he couldn't coach and now he has a stigma. Get the right coach and things will fall in line.

I agree with you in regards to the Pitt game. Everyone seems to be pointing to that game as a barometer of success...hell, they're not even that good and we get them at home! If we're an elite program we SHOULD win that, and easily!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I agree with you in regards to the Pitt game. Everyone seems to be pointing to that game as a barometer of success...hell, they're not even that good and we get them at home! If we're an elite program we SHOULD win that, and easily!

 

Now that's the spirit guys!  :) :ninja:
 

[jonz44 805]

Until the first loss? :biggrin:

Sorry--couldn't resist--jonz44--injecting a little humor!

lol, I'm not that fair weather!
TBH, when I hear Donovans name mentioned my first thought is that there is no way in hell he'd leave Florida to come to IU. My second thought is...would he? If he would if dump Crean in a heartbeat!
Two NC, multiple final fours, proven recruiter, seems to run a clean program, long track record of success...get him to Bloomington if he'll come!
Stevens?I'm not quite as sold on but I think he'd be an improvement over Crean. His coaching acumen seems pretty good but he has never proven that he can recruit at the level needed to compete at a top level program. Not saying he can't but he hasn't "been there, done that"yet. He did seem to run a clean program.
I'd love to see Crean succeed but...in your seventh year and this is all you got?
I'm a supporter but I'm not a blind supporter. Seven years is a pretty long time to prove something! Even if you give him a pass on the first three years I don't feel he's been an overwhelming success the past three plus years.
Zellers freshman year is the only year I feel his team's have over achieved!

[JSHoosier 19,810]

The Pitt game won't be enough for me either, as sad as that is. They are a marginal opponent and we get them at Home! We should not lose to teams like that at home. On the road, sure. Neutral site, sure. Not at home. I am viewing this game as a must win for the program. I actually think we find a way to win.

I was a pretty big Crean supporter up until non-conference last season. Some of those 2012-13 losses were on him in retrospect too (Butler, Illinois on road, Syracuse, others) but I was a big time supporter until early last season.

The recruiting success kept my hopes up. Now that that is gone, I've lost hope in him. He is doing better in-game coaching in regards to substituting, but the rest of his in-game coaching is a mess. He has enough talent to win a lot of games this season. I hope the team wins a lot of games in spite of his efforts and we replace him with an Elite level coach.

No reason INDIANA can't have the type of success as Louisville, Florida, Ohio State, Arizona etc. Our fan support, finances, tradition are in alignment to be a traditional powerhouse. Crean just about got us there, problem was he couldn't coach and now he has a stigma. Get the right coach and things will fall in line.

Yeah I wouldn't use Pitt as some sort of measuring stick, they aren't that good.  We're pretty bad ourselves.  We should beat them, we should expect to beat them especially at home.  My picking us to lose doesn't say anything about how good they are, more about how bad we are right now.  For as much as posters talked about our backcourt, they're as bad defensively as they are good offensively and if our only hope is hitting 3s we're playing with fire.

 

We should compete with those programs.  As I've said we have everything a coach could need to win big.  Tradition?  Check.  Facilities?  Check.  Passionate fanbase?  Check.  Beautiful campus?  Check.  Recruiting grounds?  Double check.  There's no reason we shouldn't compete with those programs.  We should be mentioned with UK and Duke and Kansas.  We need to hold ourselves to those expectations and stop with the bar lowering and excuse making.  A down year for us should still be top half of the conference and a tourney appearance, not missing the NIT with 2 McDs AAs because the coach is incapable of adjusting his system to fit the personnel he recruited.

 

EDIT:  In other words, we need to start acting like a blue blood.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

lol, I'm not that fair weather!
TBH, when I hear Donovans name mentioned my first thought is that there is no way in hell he'd leave Florida to come to IU. My second thought is...would he? If he would if dump Crean in a heartbeat!
Two NC, multiple final fours, proven recruiter, seems to run a clean program, long track record of success...get him to Bloomington if he'll come!
Stevens?I'm not quite as sold on but I think he'd be an improvement over Crean. His coaching acumen seems pretty good but he has never proven that he can recruit at the level needed to compete at a top level program. Not saying he can't but he hasn't "been there, done that"yet. He did seem to run a clean program.
I'd love to see Crean succeed but...in your seventh year and this is all you got?
I'm a supporter but I'm not a blind supporter. Seven years is a pretty long time to prove something! Even if you give him a pass on the first three years I don't feel he's been an overwhelming success the past three plus years.
Zellers freshman year is the only year I feel his team's have over achieved!

 

Well stated and well reasoned---not much different then the way I feel.

 

I just feel Crean deserves a fair shot this year---we will soon see if he gets the job done.
 

[JSHoosier 19,810]

lol, I'm not that fair weather!
TBH, when I hear Donovans name mentioned my first thought is that there is no way in hell he'd leave Florida to come to IU. My second thought is...would he? If he would if dump Crean in a heartbeat!
Two NC, multiple final fours, proven recruiter, seems to run a clean program, long track record of success...get him to Bloomington if he'll come!
Stevens?I'm not quite as sold on but I think he'd be an improvement over Crean. His coaching acumen seems pretty good but he has never proven that he can recruit at the level needed to compete at a top level program. Not saying he can't but he hasn't "been there, done that"yet. He did seem to run a clean program.
I'd love to see Crean succeed but...in your seventh year and this is all you got?
I'm a supporter but I'm not a blind supporter. Seven years is a pretty long time to prove something! Even if you give him a pass on the first three years I don't feel he's been an overwhelming success the past three plus years.
Zellers freshman year is the only year I feel his team's have over achieved!

I can't speak if Donovan would leave Florida or not.  It's easy to say no, and it'd be understandable, but the fact is he's flirted with leaving there before.  He also knows what Indiana can be, he was an assistant at UK when Cheaney was playing.  He has a great thing going down there, but he is and always will be second fiddle on his own campus.  At a place like IU where basketball rules supreme he'd be a legend.  If he has an ego that would play on it.  Of course, as much as I love IU I'm not even sure I'd leave Florida winters for the bi-polar weather in Indiana.  The only way we'd know for sure is to pick up the phone and call.  He may laugh at us, he may say he's at a place where he's ready for a new challenge, we won't know without trying.

 

As for Stevens, we won't know if he could recruit at this level until he got here.  The same is true for any coach at smaller programs.  We didn't know if Crean could when he was hired.  NBA coaching experience would work in his favor.  It could always be a timing issue, but I firmly believe Stevens could win big here.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

We ALL spar and joust and tease each other----but we ALL also know IU BBall is at a major crossroads---I too believe time is short for Crean if he doesn't get back on track starting THIS YEAR.  Some may disagree about whether he deserves to be here now---or whether he gets 1 or 2 more years---and some may think he has earned multiple years---but the simple truth is he must win at IU and we should be a perennial powerhouse in college basketball and we are going on the second year since the rebuild that we are not near the top.  He has this year to get back to the tourney for me and then I expect us back near the top next year again.  Anything short of that is unacceptable to me.  I personally think he's a good Coach (not a great Coach) and get tired of all the ridiculous and baseless pot-shots he takes ---but I am also not convinced that he's the right Coach for the job--we find out this year for me and probably next year for the Administration.  I personally still hope he does it---because we could and have done a lot worse.  I like Crean and am still willing to give him a fair shot this year to show he's the right Coach for the job.  I agree that we have to win with 2 burger boys and multiple 4 stars---as Coach--he is ultimately responsible for results.  My 2 cents.  Go Coach Crean and go Hoosiers!

[jonz44 805]

I can't speak if Donovan would leave Florida or not. It's easy to say no, and it'd be understandable, but the fact is he's flirted with leaving there before. He also knows what Indiana can be, he was an assistant at UK when Cheaney was playing. He has a great thing going down there, but he is and always will be second fiddle on his own campus. At a place like IU where basketball rules supreme he'd be a legend. If he has an ego that would play on it. Of course, as much as I love IU I'm not even sure I'd leave Florida winters for the bi-polar weather in Indiana. The only way we'd know for sure is to pick up the phone and call. He may laugh at us, he may say he's at a place where he's ready for a new challenge, we won't know without trying.

As for Stevens, we won't know if he could recruit at this level until he got here. The same is true for any coach at smaller programs. We didn't know if Crean could when he was hired. NBA coaching experience would work in his favor. It could always be a timing issue, but I firmly believe Stevens could win big here.

I'd take Donovan first of those two because of his proven track record but I must say that with all the mentions that Stevens has gotten its cause me to kinda research him a little and I like what I read.
I know that he went to the final game twice but to me even more impressive was that even after those players moved on he was able to regroup and reach the sweet sixteen a couple years later.
I like the fact his team's repetitively over achieved.
They won some big games when missing key players.
He's from Indiana which would help recruit the state which I think is crucial.
I like the fact that he and Butler were in on recruiting right up to the end. Even though Cody went to IU that is a family that had been through that recruiting process before and knew how to weed out the slackers...and he didn't get weeded out!
There is definitely a lot to be impressed with in his resume.

[jonz44 805]

We ALL spar and joust and tease each other----but we ALL also know IU BBall is at a major crossroads---I too believe time is short for Crean if he doesn't get back on track starting THIS YEAR. Some may disagree about whether he deserves to be here now---or whether he gets 1 or 2 more years---and some may think he has earned multiple years---but the simple truth is he must win at IU and we should be a perennial powerhouse in college basketball and we are going on the second year since the rebuild that we are not near the top. He has this year to get back to the tourney for me and then I expect us back near the top next year again. Anything short of that is unacceptable to me. I personally think he's a good Coach (not a great Coach) and get tired of all the ridiculous and baseless pot-shots he takes ---but I am also not convinced that he's the right Coach for the job--we find out this year for me and probably next year for the Administration. I personally still hope he does it---because we could and have done a lot worse. I like Crean and am still willing to give him a fair shot this year to show he's the right Coach for the job. I agree that we have to win with 2 burger boys and multiple 4 stars---as Coach--he is ultimately responsible for results. My 2 cents. Go Coach Crean and go Hoosiers!

well stated. I believe he deserves this year also but with all the offcourt happenings he's lost his right for any slack into next year.
I don't feel he can be held responsible for all the offcourt behavior but I do believe he is responsible for the punishment meted out for that behavior and the Perea suspension was laughable...and I do believe the subsequent misbehavior of other players was due in part to the lack consequences that Hanner had to endure.