Holt vs. Hanner

[Scoops_IU_76 7]

I think holt might have a better basketball IQ than twill
I hope twill stays on the bench until he learns how to play under control and as a team

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

The fact that a guy with those insane physical gifts/athleticism can be so awful at rebounding and playing defense. 

[mamasa 15,134]

The fact that a guy with those insane physical gifts/athleticism can be so awful at rebounding and playing defense.

The sun has risen ;)

[Stuhoo 79,551]

In which way, good news or bad?

 

Hanner is a known quantity that, for all his flaws, does some things well and will continue to improve. If Emmitt Holt met or exceeded that level during his freshman year that would be very good news.

 

Not sure that is going to happen, but Emmitt's first showing was certainly encouraging. If Emmitt steals minutes from Max, and eliminates him, Jeremiah and MSB from the rotation that would be a sign to me that Emmitt is showing real potential during practice.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

It's way too ingrained in Hanner's head that if he plays defense, he will foul. He let guys slide through all night. If he gets some reassurance there's a guy who can come in for him, then maybe he won't play so conservative on defense. I blame the coaching. I mean, there's a reason a kid flat out gives up layups play after play after play

[Myrmidon76 614]

Not sure I would throw Holt into it just yet, BUUUUTTTT...the coach in me would use the threat of doing so to force Hanner to make the decision of sinking or swimming. Hanner is option 1 right now, but if things do not improve the closer we get to conference play then a change has to happen. Yes, Holt has better court awareness and a higher basketball IQ, but he doesn't come across as the type of player to come in a make a big impact right away. Work him in, but utilize that period to make it clear to Hanner...improve or your minutes are gone.

[Candystriped 67]

The fact that a guy with those insane physical gifts/athleticism can be so awful at rebounding and playing defense. 

Just because someone is super athletic and physically gifted doesn't equate to them being a good rebounder and defender. Not making excuses but in Hanner's case the guy has only played basketball for a handful of years. It's still most likely not second nature for him like it is for most.

[maxwell 581]

Hanner will become more aggressive defensively to the degree Holt gains defensive game experience and shows that he is a reliable stop when he comes in for Hanner.  I feel CTC to this point would rather have Hanner in taking small steps and working on footwork as opposed to swatting shots and risking contact with the cheap body fouls.

 

I feel both are coming on.  I like the way Hanner is putting up a confident looking mid-range shot.  This tells me that he has had success in practice or he wouldn't have the green light during the games.  I believe he will have the game confidence in the shot soon.(No sunshine pumping here baby!)  With Holt playing in the center of the zone against Lamar, I loved the way he stepped away from the basket and shaded to the left as the ball was on left side.  The shot went up and he swung all the way back under the basket, placing a strong ?left arm into a Lamar player, came down with the rebound on the weak side of the basket and fired a nice outlet pass ahead.  I was thinking "Well Coached".

 

I'm excited about their development.  They will benefit one another as they make their progressions onward and upward.  The percentages of how much they play doesn't matter here.  I'm looking forward to their 'David vs Goliath' battle tonight with some big 7' dude.  

 

Go Hoosiers!

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Not sure I would throw Holt into it just yet, BUUUUTTTT...the coach in me would use the threat of doing so to force Hanner to make the decision of sinking or swimming. Hanner is option 1 right now, but if things do not improve the closer we get to conference play then a change has to happen. Yes, Holt has better court awareness and a higher basketball IQ, but he doesn't come across as the type of player to come in a make a big impact right away. Work him in, but utilize that period to make it clear to Hanner...improve or your minutes are gone.

 

I would argue the coaching staff is the problem here. There's no way a kid goes from being a fouling machine around the rim to letting people by in one season without influence. There's a difference between being smart and just letting players score inside. Someone at IU has made the decision the either Hanner can't play D without fouling and he should just let kids by or that he can't foul because Holt isn't good enough. I mean, he shows zero ability to even scare off 6'5" guards from driving. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I would argue the coaching staff is the problem here. There's no way a kid goes from being a fouling machine around the rim to letting people by in one season without influence. There's a difference between being smart and just letting players score inside. Someone at IU has made the decision the either Hanner can't play D without fouling and he should just let kids by or that he can't foul because Holt isn't good enough. I mean, he shows zero ability to even scare off 6'5" guards from driving.

Let's talk about this. Our biggest concern with HMP was his ability to actually stay in the game without fouling out. He has been great avoiding fouls. His defensive positioning has been very good as well. The only thing he is not doing right now, is being aggressive. I think you are right that the coaching staff is to blame for this. But I don't think it's a fault. HMP went from garbage minutes to 25+ minutes a night. He wasn't going to step in and do it all at once. Look for him to get more aggressive as the coaching staff becomes more comfortable with Holt backing him up and being able to contribute 5-10 minutes a game. Our options are just not there outside of those two, so a conservative approach is the best option right now.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Let's talk about this. Our biggest concern with HMP was his ability to actually stay in the game without fouling out. He has been great avoiding fouls. His defensive positioning has been very good as well. The only thing he is not doing right now, is being aggressive. I think you are right that the coaching staff is to blame for this. But I don't think it's a fault. HMP went from garbage minutes to 25+ minutes a night. He wasn't going to step in and do it all at once. Look for him to get more aggressive as the coaching staff becomes more comfortable with Holt backing him up and being able to contribute 5-10 minutes a game. Our options are just not there outside of those two, so a conservative approach is the best option right now.

 

Not when Lamar hits their 3rd runner in a row to bring the game within seven. At some point, you have to just tell him to play defense. Being too conservative has hurt us way more than has helped. He can't learn to effectively play defense if he's too scared to. Also, they just plain need to play Holt. We don't have any other options

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Not when Lamar hits their 3rd runner in a row to bring the game within seven. At some point, you have to just tell him to play defense. Being too conservative has hurt us way more than has helped. He can't learn to effectively play defense if he's too scared to. Also, they just plain need to play Holt. We don't have any other options

How has it hurt us? We're 4-0 and HMP has averaged 25.3 minutes a game. He average 7.7 last year. The fact that he's been able to play 100+ minutes already is invaluable. If we're winning without him playing much defense, great. But I don't expect this to continue as we get to teams that pose a real threat inside.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

How has it hurt us? We're 4-0 and HMP has averaged 25.3 minutes a game. He average 7.7 last year. The fact that he's been able to play 100+ minutes already is invaluable. If we're winning without him playing much defense, great. But I don't expect this to continue as we get to teams that pose a real threat inside.

 

That's my point. He has to learn how to play effective defense before we start playing actual teams. He's afraid to foul. We can't afford to look back and say "well it worked then" when the heart of our schedule is coming. If we continue to accept what he is offering on defense, we are going to get smoked. You have to let him play defense. We don't have a choice. Any other team than Lamar and we lose that game.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

If you're going to let a trial by fire happen and not worry about fouls, why not against teams like this? We certainly aren't taking that chance against Pitt, Ville, or Butler

[HoosierCoop 3,885]

Holt can now be a solid backup to HMP.

 

Hammer away guys!!!  At least make them earn the inside baskets instead of this Ole' BS (there's my Major League reference).

[Myrmidon76 614]

I would argue the coaching staff is the problem here. There's no way a kid goes from being a fouling machine around the rim to letting people by in one season without influence. There's a difference between being smart and just letting players score inside. Someone at IU has made the decision the either Hanner can't play D without fouling and he should just let kids by or that he can't foul because Holt isn't good enough. I mean, he shows zero ability to even scare off 6'5" guards from driving. 

 

Not disputing that assessment. I hope it clicks, but that hope diminishes with every game. I have never been sold on McClain as a bigs coach. The guys he has brought in are not D1 ready, nor has he shown an ability to get them up to speed for the D1 game. I like McClain's ideas for defenses across personnel packages, but beyond that...not so much.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

I would argue the coaching staff is the problem here. There's no way a kid goes from being a fouling machine around the rim to letting people by in one season without influence. There's a difference between being smart and just letting players score inside. Someone at IU has made the decision the either Hanner can't play D without fouling and he should just let kids by or that he can't foul because Holt isn't good enough. I mean, he shows zero ability to even scare off 6'5" guards from driving. 

I think this is exactly right. Hanner needs to be playing aggressively and able to foul and even foul out of these games. He needs to learn exactly where the lines are with the refs so that he doesn't play too aggressively or too conservatively when it counts. I don't know why they are keeping him on a leash but it's hurting his development. It almost has to be a lack of faith in Holt at the moment. If Hanner can't play D without fouling, then big deal, let him leave the court with 25 minutes because he fouled out instead of just being taken out (though, I generally think that coaches are too conservative about letting players foul out and lose valuable minutes on the front-end to get half of those minutes on the back, but that's a difference conversation). Holt or someone can pick-up the extra minutes just like they would have anyway and maybe Hanner could have done some real good during that time. 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Holt can now be a solid backup to HMP.

 

Hammer away guys!!!  At least make them earn the inside baskets instead of this Ole' BS (there's my Major League reference).

 

I'm with you on this HoosierCoop!

 

I want to see Holt and a little April when Hanner is out!

 

They need the experience and reps too!
 

[jonz44 805]

Wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of yogi, jbj, Twill, holt and Hanner for 4-5 min per game.


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I'd love to see that lineup!

[drewheck 749]

Holt couldn't do any worse