College Bball Thread

[ElectricBoogaloo]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/12/17/illinois-brad-underwood-recruiting/


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6 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

Rex Pflueger has indeed tore his ACL. Huge blow for ND.


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That sucks, he wasn't even cutting or coming down wrong. It was almost just a normal stride.

[Uspshoosier]

Arizona St/ Vandy on sec network


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[Hoosier Guy]

Not recruiting that state is a huge blunder by Underwood. That state is usually loaded with good talent as well

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/12/17/illinois-brad-underwood-recruiting/


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Lol. I'm not surprised

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[AKHoosier]

I could totally see Bryce Drew at Purdue if they can Painter.

Vandy is actually doing pretty well despite losing Garland (gag), and it probably wouldn't take much to try and bring him back to NW Indiana.  But would the Purdue fans/admin tolerate a guy who is clearly throwing bags of money around?

[ap2345]

I think Brandon Newman will be very good, but not right away. Usually he has some talent but they look aren't going to be very good next season. 

Purdue is a couple years away from competing for the top of the Big 10 due to the recruits that they get. This isn’t a negative for Painter it’s the reality of Purdue as a basketball program. They don’t get Caleb Swanigan’s every year. Most of the players he has success with are 4 year guys that get better every year. That’s what he has now outside of Edwards. Truthfully Painter’s recruiting isn’t that bad for what Purdue is as a school. But Purdue fans don’t really understand this lol.


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[ElectricBoogaloo]

15 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

I could totally see Bryce Drew at Purdue if they can Painter.

Vandy is actually doing pretty well despite losing Garland (gag), and it probably wouldn't take much to try and bring him back to NW Indiana.  But would the Purdue fans/admin tolerate a guy who is clearly throwing bags of money around?

They would take him in a minute and all their sanctimony about cheating programs like UNC would disappear.

Drew makes $2.7mm annually at Vanderbilt. Would Purdue want to pay enough to make it worth his while to move?

[mdn82]

Marquette May have lost to us, but they’ve beaten Kansas State and Wisconsin. Gonzaga over UNC doesn’t make much sense but could be because their only two losses are Tennessee and UNC? While UNC’s losses are a blowout by Michigan and a loss to Texas. They were pretty close though. Kansas has been considered the best team since the beginning or one of the best. Same with Duke. Tennessee has beaten Gonzaga which is a big win and their only loss is to Kansas in OT.


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You really feel Marquette should be ahead of us after we beat them by 23 and comparing wins?


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[HoosierFan1994]

34 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

They would take him in a minute and all their sanctimony about cheating programs like UNC would disappear.

Drew makes $2.7mm annually at Vanderbilt. Would Purdue want to pay enough to make it worth his while to move?

I just don't think people understand..Next year Purdue is going to have one of their worst seasons they have had in a long time. Losing the Malik Hall kid was huge. Purdue and their fans have higher expectations. They'll be a bottom three team in the B1G for the next few seasons. That could be enough to can Painter. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

5 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Our top 3 wins are against now #20 Marquette, Louisville and Butler. Their top 3 are now #16 Wisconsin, Kansas State and Louisville. I guess Marquette should be ahead of Wisconsin then too right?

 

 

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Marquette is 8-2, IU is 9-2. Marquette is ranked #20, we're ranked #22, so the voters obviously seem to think we're pretty comparable teams. When you have two teams that you think are at the same level it doesn't really make any sense to me to put the one that lost by 23 points to the other team, above the other. 

[Uspshoosier]

It’s just how the lineups of games have worked out since then. After that game they won and then lost to Kansas. We lost to Arky and Duke. While we beat Louisville and Butler they beat Louisville, Kansas State and Wisconsin. So their moves up were at the right time. They beat Kansas State when they were ranked 12th and the same with Wisconsin. They’ve had multiple bigger pushes than we have by beating the #12 team in the nation in different weeks.


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Kansas st also lost to Tulsa right after Marquette. Polls in general are meaningless. Half the time in the AP the writers are still focused on football and in the coaches poll coaches are more worried about their own team then watching other games. Most the time they have a staff member do it. Regardless teams ranked 15-40 in the polls are pretty much have little separation. Polls are fun for fans to follow but I would more concerned with who has the better resume as of today. IU has put itself in position in the non-conference to earn a high seed in March.


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[HoosierAloha]

It’s just how the lineups of games have worked out since then. After that game they won and then lost to Kansas. We lost to Arky and Duke. While we beat Louisville and Butler they beat Louisville, Kansas State and Wisconsin. So their moves up were at the right time. They beat Kansas State when they were ranked 12th and the same with Wisconsin. They’ve had multiple bigger pushes than we have by beating the #12 team in the nation in different weeks.


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I don't think Kansas State is that good. They were ranked that high from the tourney last season.


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[mdn82]

Our top 3 wins are against now #20 Marquette, Louisville and Butler. Their top 3 are now #16 Wisconsin, Kansas State and Louisville. I guess Marquette should be ahead of Wisconsin then too right?
 
 
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But our wins don’t stop at 3. Theirs does. That’s why you cherrypicked those three. Our overall is better than theirs all day.


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[mdn82]

Yes. Just because you beat someone doesn’t mean you should be automatically ranked above them. Rankings are personal opinions of the media. Marquette after losing to us helped themselves climb by beat two top 15 teams. We beat Marquette but then lost to Arkansas which kept us out. Then got whooped by Duke. Marquette has played better than we have since that game.


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Just because they have beaten up on mostly cupcakes at home since we played them doesn’t mean they have played better. They have beaten nobody outside of Marquette. The teams you reference they have essentially played close like we did. We have won 2 games on the road or at a neutral site. We beat them by 23 on top of everything else. The other stuff puts us above them. Us smacking them by 23 puts us even further imo.


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[mdn82]

In your opinion. Not the voters. I don’t think you’re understanding how the rankings work.

 

 

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Dude I am twice your age. I knew how the rankings worked long before you were a glimmer of hope. If you want to be a hipster on this subject you are wrong too. Data backs that up. You really think random Joe from California is watching IU games not on national television? No. They are following the pack and from a rankings perspective they are usually a week or two behind. That doesn’t make Marquette better than us. Quite the opposite actually. Our wins are far superior to theirs. Make fun of PSU all you want but that’s still a tier 2 win. Northwestern at home. Same. Neutral win against Butler is a tier 1 win. We beat Marquette. Tier 1. Louisville. Same. Being against grain just to argue isn’t justification. Stack up the resumes and tell me who is better. IU all day.

 

Then you say my opinion not the voters. Have they not proven themselves to be idiots that don’t look to give true meaning behind their votes? NJIT got a vote? Purdue getting top 20 votes at 6-5? Yeah their opinion matters smh.

 

 

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[HoosierAloha]

Perception at the time of the game was that they were that good. Most writers will look at where a team was ranked during the week and who they beat or who they lost to and move teams up and down like that.


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I was simply stating I didn't think KSU was the good. We all know the pollsters have a wacky way of ranking teams. If IU and Marquette played on a neutral floor I like IU's chances.


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[mdn82]

What’s funny is highly doubt you have watched more than one Marquette game other than IU but sitting here telling us they have played better. If you were USPS I trust that. But you aren’t and I know for a fact you haven’t. You are a fan of the NBA. No real prospects on Marquette that would concern you. If it’s against the norm you will argue it. I should have known better.

 

 

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[Chips&Dipo]

17 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Preseason: Marquette #27(124 points), Indiana #28(98 points).

Week 2: Marquette #24(155) beat UMBC 67-42 and Beth-Cookman 92-59. Indiana #27(131) beat Chicago State 104-55 and Montana State 80-35.

Week3: Marquette #40(7) lost to IU 96-73, beat Presbyterian 74-55. Indiana #27(74) beat #24 Marquette 96-73, lost to Arkansas 73-72.

Week 4: Marquette no votes, lost to #2 Kansas 77-68, beat Louisville 77-74. Indiana #31(35) beat UT Arlington 78-64 and UC Davis 76-62.

Week 5: Marquette #28(47) beat Charl Southern 76-55 and #12 Kansas State 83-71. Indiana #35(13) lost to #3 Duke 90-69 and beat Northwestern 68-66.

Week 6: Marquette #21(281) beat UTEP 76-69 and #12 Wisconsin 74-69. Indiana #25(118) beat Penn State 64-62 and Louisville 68-67.

Week 7: Marquette 20(350) didn’t play. Indiana #22(226) beat Butler 71-68.

This is simple if you just watch how things move. It is just a ranking by the week. They look at what you’ve done most recently(that week) and move teams up and down.


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If that were the case, why did Marquette get 70 more points for a week that they didn't play a game during?

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[Chips&Dipo]

Just now, Joe DeLow said:

Because they likely got more votes than the week before and probably higher rankings on some ballots.


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So then it isn't what they've done most recently (that week)? They are taking Marquette's whole body of work into consideration?