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You guys need a giggle?

Purdue is a pretty decent but not exceptional team this year (that's Purdue most years). They lost last night to a good FSU team by a bucket; PU got tight down the stretch.

Now for the funny part: Their "good defense/terrible offense" point guard Nojel Eastern's mother is a regular poster on the PU free board. This board had an element of that twice; DocLibby (yogi's mom) was a true gem, and Troy's mom was a crazy-train experience. Anyway, after the game Eastern's mom posted 'the ol' slippery shoes' explanation:

 

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pboiler18 said: ↑

Nah. First time in a long time man. It’s not my style but this was so egregious I had to vent.

Nojel was so bad tonight it hurts. Literally did NOTHING positive. The kid couldn’t even keep his feet half the time.

Gross effort.

Gross effort did nothing positive look at his stats. 4 t/o so did others shut down Mann collected 5 rebounds besides not scoring the ball more he was instrumental in that comeback to take the lead but u wanna criticize his efforts. His shoes was slippery he changed them that definitely helped him not turning it over. The t/o late in game hurted but not reason we lost. He did a lot of things well but to say he gave no effort what game were u watching.

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30 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

You guys need a giggle?

Purdue is a pretty decent but not exceptional team this year (that's Purdue most years). They lost last night to a good FSU team by a bucket; PU got tight down the stretch.

Now for the funny part: Their "good defense/terrible offense" point guard Nojel Eastern's mother is a regular poster on the PU free board. This board had an element of that twice; DocLibby (yogi's mom) was a true gem, and Troy's mom was a crazy-train experience. Anyway, after the game Eastern's mom posted 'the ol' slippery shoes' explanation:

 

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pboiler18 said: ↑

Nah. First time in a long time man. It’s not my style but this was so egregious I had to vent.

Nojel was so bad tonight it hurts. Literally did NOTHING positive. The kid couldn’t even keep his feet half the time.

Gross effort.

Gross effort did nothing positive look at his stats. 4 t/o so did others shut down Mann collected 5 rebounds besides not scoring the ball more he was instrumental in that comeback to take the lead but u wanna criticize his efforts. His shoes was slippery he changed them that definitely helped him not turning it over. The t/o late in game hurted but not reason we lost. He did a lot of things well but to say he gave no effort what game were u watching.

It is pretty comical how she comes to Nojel's defense anytime his name is brought up in discussion. You can talk bad about any player on the team but better not bring up Nojel, or mama gonna get you.

Nojel should have stayed in the draft (dws).  Him coming back this year is only causing his draft stock to fall.... or dare I say, slip...  

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Yeah she is nuts. She was up there with Troys mom when his draft entry happened. Anyone critical of her son? Man she goes above craziness.


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14 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yeah she is nuts. She was up there with Troys mom when his draft entry happened. Anyone critical of her son? Man she goes above craziness.


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That crazy train sure made me laugh a lot. Momma Williams running to the bank laughing all the way there. 

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22 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Based on age and recruiting rankings that is how we should look now.

Coach B is just on fire recently. It’s quite remarkable.

Archie is not proving to be a BLine at this point.


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Beilein went 46-53 his first three seasons at Michigan finishing no higher than 7th in the conference, and it took six years at Michigan to get past the 2nd round of the tournament. 

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34 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Beilein went 46-53 his first three seasons at Michigan finishing no higher than 7th in the conference, and it took six years at Michigan to get past the 2nd round of the tournament. 

Thanks x100! Alot on here probably doesn't realize this. And some starting to rethink the Archie hire.

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Thanks x100! Alot on here probably doesn't realize this. And some starting to rethink the Archie hire.

Yeah I am sure that stat won’t get many responses but that is why we would see their fans on Scout complaining about him. They treated him like Mike Davis after their first run and there were some that openly said they wished he didn’t make that run and delay the inevitable. Fans just have a short memory when it doesn’t involve their team.


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Based on age and recruiting rankings that is how we should look now.

 

Coach B is just on fire recently. It’s quite remarkable.

 

Archie is not proving to be a BLine at this point.

 

 

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Because this fostered so much conversation.

 

I know all the facts. Re read my post as I wrote it

 

Coach B is on fire RECENTLY

 

Archie is not proving to be a BLine AT THIS POINT

 

People are so quick to jump on someone.

 

The only thing that makes this a comparison right now is both teams have what I would consider equal talent on paper.

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,074]

Thanks x100! Alot on here probably doesn't realize this. And some starting to rethink the Archie hire.

The hire made perfectly good sense. Not necessarily the home run dream hire but it was one of best options available. The recruiting is looking great so far. On court results aren’t there yet, and many are disappointed.

I predicted this would be a three-four year build based what was going on but then we got Romeo and Juwan returns and the team acts like they are a “great team-(Juwan)”and looking to make NCAA noise. Expectations raised to probably reasonable levels as a top 25 team, top 5 seed.

Time will tell what happens and the next 4 games will give us an early window.

I like Archie and honestly think it’ll get figured out, it just looks like it’s going to be a bumpier road than anticipated.

Plus we need to land our primary targets in 2019 as I believe we will.


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Because this fostered so much conversation.

I know all the facts. Re read my post as I wrote it!

Coach B is on fire RECENTLY!

Archie is not proving to be a BLine AT THIS POINT!

People are so quick to jump on someone.

The only thing that makes this a comparison right now is both teams have what I would consider equal talent on paper.


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Im think iu fans are just running out of patience after 25 years of being average. Its not archies fault but crean would of gotten the same and should have by his second year. But all i ever heard was he gets a three year pass. His third year stunk. Zeller bough him six years in the end. I really hope archie works out. I really do. If not i think iu will just always be average.

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[mdn82 26,344]

Im think iu fans are just running out of patience after 25 years of being average. Its not archies fault but crean would of gotten the same and should have by his second year. But all i ever heard was he gets a three year pass. His third year stunk. Zeller bough him six years in the end. I really hope archie works out. I really do. If not i think iu will just always be average.

 

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The message BGleas was relaying and was attempting to send by quoting Wayne was patience. Wayne wasn’t the only one pining for Belein’s results. He would have been fired here after those three years. Never would have got to Belein’s best years here.

 

 

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9 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Because this fostered so much conversation.

 

I know all the facts. Re read my post as I wrote it

 

Coach B is on fire RECENTLY

 

Archie is not proving to be a BLine AT THIS POINT

 

People are so quick to jump on someone.

 

The only thing that makes this a comparison right now is both teams have what I would consider equal talent on paper.

 

 

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Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 

The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 

This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 

I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

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Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 
The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 
This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 
I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

In some ways I honestly think it’s a lucky stretch for Michigan. Beilein is a good coach but his results recently are better than they should be. I don’t know if he should get all the credit or not.

I won’t be surprised to see Michigan fall back to the pack a little this season.

The only reason I referenced him is because he is currently the best example of getting more with less in college basketball. (Luck-skill-probably both).




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Nobody is jumping on you, you made a point about Beilein and I'm responding to it. Beilein took over Michigan as a much more experienced coach than Archie when he took over IU, and it took Beilein 6+ season to really have any success at Michigan. In 11 seasons at Michigan he's missed the tournament or been bounced before the Sweet Sixteen 7 times. He's finished 7th or worse in the conference 5 times, including finishing 8th or worse twice in the last 4 seasons. 
The point is, Beilein has had some great seasons at Michigan but he's also had some bad ones, even recently, and it took him nearly 6 seasons to get it going. Patience is the point. If Michigan reacted to Beilein after 1+ seasons he would have been fired, but they knew they had a good coach and they were patient and they're reaping the benefits. 
This is where most want to point to Crean and how the admin was patient with him and it burned us, but Archie isn't Crean. Archie is a basketball lifer. Archie has already proven IMO that he's a good basketball coach, but implementing a new program takes time, as it did for Beilein, Bennett, Coach K, Jay Wright, Izzo, etc. They all struggled early at their current schools. 
I'm not saying it's easy. I get frustrated too, but the injuries have absolutely, 100% impacted the teams play early this year. Let's give this team a chance to get healthy and develop, and as hard as it is let's have some patience and let Archie build this thing. 

Good and fair response. I get it. Thanks for putting it toegether.


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And finally.

If I had to pick between Archie and Beilein to be our coach going forward, I’m picking Archie.

Age, pedigree, recruiting potential.

I just want him to overcome expectations sooner than later. Most coaches it takes years to build because of talent. We seemingly have the talent and that is where the frustration begins.


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And finally.

If I had to pick between Archie and Beilein to be our coach going forward, I’m picking Archie.

Age, pedigree, recruiting potential.

I just want him to overcome expectations sooner than later. Most coaches it takes years to build because of talent. We seemingly have the talent and that is where the frustration begins.


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Seemingly having talent and having talent are 2 different things. I agree i thought we would be better and a few players are but it is not enough without key players improvement. Justin smith really is key imo and devonte if they can get going we will be ok

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2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Good and fair response. I get it. Thanks for putting it toegether.


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Appreciate your reply, and I'm not trying to come off as an 'Archie apologist' or act like he's above criticism. I've been disappointed in some things. For example, I haven't seen our program yet play with what appears to be Archie's identity. I thought we'd begin to see that sooner this year, though again injuries may impact that. But, we all know with certain coaches when you watch their team you get that 'the mentality of the coach is clear by how the players are playing' feeling and we haven't really seen that. 

Also, look at what Coach K did Tuesday. He knew we had a freshmen backcourt and would be in a hostile environment and he knew we struggled with pressure against Arkansas, so he comes our and pressures fullcourt from the tip. It was a great move. I haven't seen Archie really do many things like that to this point. It's basically pack-line and that's it. So, I'd like to see more of those types of adjustments. 

With all that said, I think Archie has a good chance to finally be Indiana's answer, and I've seen way more things that give me optimism, so I'm going to give him time and have patience with it, and I really do think we'll be happy sooner than later. 

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I was told B1G basketball starts tonight, but I see Michigan State is playing Rutgers. 

I must have been told wrong. 

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Rutgers must have played well in the first half. They had a 1 pt lead when I turned it on. Now MSU up 5.

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Refs aren’t going for the regular grab and hold Wisconsin routine early. Now watching both teams play, I really like our chances.