College Bball Thread

[Hovadipo]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Maybe a dumb question and off topic for the thread, but has Indy done something recently that makes it especially appealing for big events? Feel like every time I turn around they’re hosting some huge sporting events, concerts, conventions, etc. Don’t recall that being the case while I was around 10-15 years ago. Does anyone know if something policy related is driving that or more based on city layout and convenient proximity to venues or something? Just curious. I’d love to visit soon, seems like there’s usually something new/cool going on.

Indy is a logistical paradise for major sporting events, especially after downtown got cleaned up. That may have all happened in the gap from you being there last. You can park your car downtown and never need it (or an Uber, etc.) again for as long as you're there. You can also be downtown and barely have to walk outside between skyways/tunnels between buildings, etc. It isn't the best food-wise from a quality standpoint, but the quantity of bars and restaurants is there to hold events like this, CFP, NBA All-Star, etc. Not to mention Lucas Oil and Gainbridge are elite venues, and then add in the top notch convention center.

From a policy perspective I have no idea, but Indy is so so good at actually holding these events.

[Demo]

35 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Massive W.

Damn, is that cool.

[Scotty R]

26 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Maybe a dumb question and off topic for the thread, but has Indy done something recently that makes it especially appealing for big events? Feel like every time I turn around they’re hosting some huge sporting events, concerts, conventions, etc. Don’t recall that being the case while I was around 10-15 years ago. Does anyone know if something policy related is driving that or more based on city layout and convenient proximity to venues or something? Just curious. I’d love to visit soon, seems like there’s usually something new/cool going on.

Indy has been the Sports Capital of the country since the 80's. Started with hosting the Pan Am games. The city d cided back in the mid 80's to really put effort in making Indy a huge sports city and put a host committee together that is better than anyone.

[go iu bb]

Spoiler: He didn't include IU.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40534336/****-vitale-early-mens-sweet-16-teams-2024-25

[darB s'tI]

3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Spoiler: He didn't include IU.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40534336/****-vitale-early-mens-sweet-16-teams-2024-25

I simply do not get Purdue or Kentucky in this list. I find it easy to dislike those schools, but this has nothing to do with that. They're stripped of talent. Maybe I'm way off, but I don't get it.

[go iu bb]

1 minute ago, iu-dl said:

I simply do not get Purdue or Kentucky in this list. I find it easy to dislike those schools, but this has nothing to do with that. They're stripped of talent. Maybe I'm way off, but I don't get it.

It's Dukie V.

[FortWayneHoosier]

19 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Spoiler: He didn't include IU.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40534336/****-vitale-early-mens-sweet-16-teams-2024-25

i dont think i have paid attention to anything Dickie V has said since......."checks calendar"......ever.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Spoiler: He didn't include IU.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40534336/****-vitale-early-mens-sweet-16-teams-2024-25

#bwahaha! So Woodson's act hasn't fooled DickieV!

[go iu bb]

The hits just keep coming. The NCAA is still looking for Congress to save them from themselves.

Next step is unionization and collective bargaining agreements.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40541501/court-ruling-seeks-test-decide-athletes-employees

[Hardwood83]

12 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

The hits just keep coming. The NCAA is still looking for Congress to save them from themselves.

Next step is unionization and collective bargaining agreements.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40541501/court-ruling-seeks-test-decide-athletes-employees

I don't agree/support the "employee" classification, but if that is the result then players should get treated like employees, in all aspects. So if you have a bad year? Fired/demoted. Also, they should be open to all manner of criticism and scrutiny. Wanna be a pro-athelete? Then you get treated like a pro athlete. 

Unionization is a bridge too far for me though. Once they demand double pay to play on holidays or strike to get a bigger share of the Adidas contract, I'll focus my time & attention elsewhere. There are already pro sports I mostly ignore. 

[LamarCheeks]

26 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't agree/support the "employee" classification, but if that is the result then players should get treated like employees, in all aspects. So if you have a bad year? Fired/demoted. Also, they should be open to all manner of criticism and scrutiny. Wanna be a pro-athelete? Then you get treated like a pro athlete. 

Unionization is a bridge too far for me though. Once they demand double pay to play on holidays or strike to get a bigger share of the Adidas contract, I'll focus my time & attention elsewhere. There are already pro sports I mostly ignore. 

This is gonna be interesting to me. With the best college basketball players making six and perhaps even, seven, figures, the old adage ... Don't boo them, they're just kids -- will go out the window. At least IMO. 

[AH1971]

On 7/11/2024 at 10:22 AM, Hovadipo said:

It isn't the best food-wise from a quality standpoint, but the quantity of bars and restaurants

Agree but it's getting a lot better and the city has made that a priority these last few years. 

[go iu bb]

5 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't agree/support the "employee" classification, but if that is the result then players should get treated like employees, in all aspects. So if you have a bad year? Fired/demoted. Also, they should be open to all manner of criticism and scrutiny. Wanna be a pro-athelete? Then you get treated like a pro athlete. 

Unionization is a bridge too far for me though. Once they demand double pay to play on holidays or strike to get a bigger share of the Adidas contract, I'll focus my time & attention elsewhere. There are already pro sports I mostly ignore. 

So if you have a bad year? Fired/demoted. - This already happens. They ride the bench or transfer.

Unionization is a bridge too far for me though. Once they demand double pay to play on holidays or strike to get a bigger share of the Adidas contract, I'll focus my time & attention elsewhere. - It's always confusing to me how the players getting paid detracts from someone's ability to enjoy the watching them play.

Unionization would likely also lead to a collective bargaining agreement which might limit how much schools can directly pay the players, might limit NIL without actual work, and might restrict the currently unrestricted free transfers.

[Hardwood83]

2 hours ago, go iu bb said:

So if you have a bad year? Fired/demoted. - This already happens. They ride the bench or transfer.

Unionization is a bridge too far for me though. Once they demand double pay to play on holidays or strike to get a bigger share of the Adidas contract, I'll focus my time & attention elsewhere. - It's always confusing to me how the players getting paid detracts from someone's ability to enjoy the watching them play.

Unionization would likely also lead to a collective bargaining agreement which might limit how much schools can directly pay the players, might limit NIL without actual work, and might restrict the currently unrestricted free transfers.

I didn't actually state them getting paid was the issue, although I don't like that either. I love college basketball. I assume you do to. So why would you want it fundamentally changed in every way? On this trajectory NCAA basketball will be completely unrecognizable in a few years. Are you cool with that? Big picture, why should state academic institutions provide professional sports entertainment? Is that furthering their mission & purpose? 

We can all agree NBA players are more skilled and athletically superior to college players, right? So why not just watch the NBA for pro basketball? If a kid wants to play pro basketball? Great, then do it, but amatuer sports can still exist. Changes need to be made to protect college sports, not bastardize them into a minor league caricature of a once great sport. 

The NCAA is stupid and corrupt, so fix it, don't change college basketball into the CBA.  

[Scotty R]

33 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I didn't actually state them getting paid was the issue, although I don't like that either. I love college basketball. I assume you do to. So why would you want it fundamentally changed in every way? On this trajectory NCAA basketball will be completely unrecognizable in a few years. Are you cool with that? Big picture, why should state academic institutions provide professional sports entertainment? Is that furthering their mission & purpose? 

We can all agree NBA players are more skilled and athletically superior to college players, right? So why not just watch the NBA for pro basketball? If a kid wants to play pro basketball? Great, then do it, but amatuer sports can still exist. Changes need to be made to protect college sports, not bastardize them into a minor league caricature of a once great sport. 

The NCAA is stupid and corrupt, so fix it, don't change college basketball into the CBA.  

Very well said

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

 

We can all agree NBA players are more skilled and athletically superior to college players, right? So why not just watch the NBA for pro basketball? If a kid wants to play pro basketball? Great, then do it, but amatuer sports can still exist. Changes need to be made to protect college sports, not bastardize them into a minor league caricature of a once great sport. 

The NCAA is stupid and corrupt, so fix it, don't change college basketball into the CBA.

The courts have decided that players can profit from their NIL.  In my opinion, they should be able to.  While there might be NCAA legislation to try and control it, there is no way of guaranteeing that it would hold up in court.

 

 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

The courts have decided that players can profit from their NIL.  In my opinion, they should be able to.  While there might be NCAA legislation to try and control it, there is no way of guaranteeing that it would hold up in court.
 
 

Sure they should be able to do that. I agree. But that isn't what is happening.

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[RaceToTheTop]

10 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Sure they should be able to do that. I agree. But that isn't what is happening.

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I understand — BUT how many players have been found guilty of breaking NIL laws?  As long as the laws aren’t being broken, best get on board and use them to your advantage.  

[AZ Hoosier]

The plot continues to thicken...

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40541501/court-ruling-seeks-test-decide-athletes-employees

[Demo]

https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1813598751862517768
 

Wow, who at Maryland pi$$ed off Rothstein? Can’t believe the dude put this picture out.