College Bball Thread

[Tasmanian Devil]

38 minutes ago, Demo said:

Walton is gonna be an absolute zoo.

Tennessee/UNC ought to be good as well.

[AZ Hoosier]

3 hours ago, Demo said:

Walton is gonna be an absolute zoo.

Definitely "must see tv" on multiple levels.

[Hovadipo]

Very good thread. Retired Miller Kopp continues to be great at Tweetin’.

[Scotty R]

Watching this right now and the coaches are going to try to get a change in the recruiting calendar. They are saying if it doesn't change then more and more coaches will leave the profession.

 

[Scotty R]

2 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Watching this right now and the coaches are going to try to get a change in the recruiting calendar. They are saying if it doesn't change then more and more coaches will leave the profession.

 

You can watch this on YouTube which is where I watched it. They were talking how with the portal and your normal recruiting period you have little or no down time to spend with your family.  Wes Miller talked about when UC's new football coach saw Miller in the middle of the summer about why Miller was still in the office Miller told him all he has been doing during the summer and the football coach said the next he is headed to the beach. He thought that football coaches always talked about not having the time for themselves but now it is the basketball coaches.

[go iu bb]

49 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

You can watch this on YouTube which is where I watched it. They were talking how with the portal and your normal recruiting period you have little or no down time to spend with your family.  Wes Miller talked about when UC's new football coach saw Miller in the middle of the summer about why Miller was still in the office Miller told him all he has been doing during the summer and the football coach said the next he is headed to the beach. He thought that football coaches always talked about not having the time for themselves but now it is the basketball coaches.

So they have to work hard and all year to make millions of dollars per year? I don't feel sorry for him. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

9 hours ago, go iu bb said:

So they have to work hard and all year to make millions of dollars per year? I don't feel sorry for him. 

Gotta agree with you there.

Even if he’s only making $200k - how about the people working 6-7 days at jobs physically demanding/exhausting (steel mills, tire factories, etc)? How about single parents that work 2, sometimes 3 jobs just trying to make ends meet?

Listen, he may have a point in that if things don’t change people will leave the profession. So be it - and, if that occurs, market forces will either change the situation or eliminate it.

[Stuhoo]

Leave the profession? And then do what? (rolls eyes)

[go iu bb]

54 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Gotta agree with you there.

Even if he’s only making $200k - how about the people working 6-7 days at jobs physically demanding/exhausting (steel mills, tire factories, etc)? How about single parents that work 2, sometimes 3 jobs just trying to make ends meet?

Listen, he may have a point in that if things don’t change people will leave the profession. So be it - and, if that occurs, market forces will either change the situation or eliminate it.

For the money they're getting, there will always be people who know basketball and are willing to put in the work. Good luck to him or other coaches on finding similar income. Especially with less work. 

I don't know what Wes Miller's background is like, but I'm going to guess his family was pretty well off. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

 

I don't know what Wes Miller's background is like, but I'm going to guess his family was pretty well off. 

Exactly.

Coach Holtz says it best.

 

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

For the money they're getting, there will always be people who know basketball and are willing to put in the work. Good luck to him or other coaches on finding similar income. Especially with less work. 

I don't know what Wes Miller's background is like, but I'm going to guess his family was pretty well off. 

They are not just talking about the HC's but the assistants. Also talking about mid to low major coaches as well. Miller said his job was what caused his divorce. To me coaches need to stop thinking about jey have to put all these long hours in to he successful.  There should be a couple of weeks in the summer where everything is a dead period and let everyone go home or go on vacation to relax 

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

They are not just talking about the HC's but the assistants. Also talking about mid to low major coaches as well. Miller said his job was what caused his divorce. To me coaches need to stop thinking about jey have to put all these long hours in to he successful.  There should be a couple of weeks in the summer where everything is a dead period and let everyone go home or go on vacation to relax 

[Stuhoo]

3 hours ago, Scotty R said:

They are not just talking about the HC's but the assistants. Also talking about mid to low major coaches as well. Miller said his job was what caused his divorce. To me coaches need to stop thinking about jey have to put all these long hours in to he successful.  There should be a couple of weeks in the summer where everything is a dead period and let everyone go home or go on vacation to relax 

I call bullshirt.

Not about whether the profession is a year-round job. It is. That's what most jobs are; at least ones that pay a full salary.

But 'normal' working people; those that don't make $100-$300k per year (as college basketball assistant coaches routinely do), get about three weeks a year off. And I am more than convinced that these 'year-round' college basketball assistant coaches get at least 10-15 vacation days a year. If I take "a few weeks off" all at once in the summer? That means I have a total of about three vacation days left for the other 50 weeks of the year.

No, there will not be any D1 college basketball coaches or assistant basketball coaches who will leave the profession. Because then they would be high school teachers and coaches who work for $60k per year and have to side-hustle side night and weekend jobs to make ends meet. And have to teach daytime high school history classes as a condition of employment. And be 'just another guy''; not someone whose ego gets stroked as a daily occurrence.

So...bullshirt.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

@Stuhoo I'm having trouble reading between the lines of your last post.  Could you re-phrase it in terms I can understand?   lol

[Scotty R]

Did any other f you actually have ake time to watch the podcast. Most of it is just stating that they need to shorten the time of the portal. They want to have it start after the National Championship game and end in the.middle if May.  This is for all transfers including grad transfers. They said that the night before the championship game that the UCONN coaches were on zoom calls with transfers. I feel that is not right do I agree they need to change the dates of the portal.

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

Did any other f you actually have ake time to watch the podcast. Most of it is just stating that they need to shorten the time of the portal. They want to have it start after the National Championship game and end in the.middle if May.  This is for all transfers including grad transfers. They said that the night before the championship game that the UCONN coaches were on zoom calls with transfers. I feel that is not right do I agree they need to change the dates of the portal.

I watched it. And I've seen this nonsense before.

When Wes Miller says he hasn't had time to clean his own house yet this summer?!!? That's a tell that he's full of sh!t. 

1. He makes about $3 million a year. If he had unlimited time he'd still be hiring a cleaning service.
2. Stop going out to fancy restaurants all the time Wes. You'll have time to spend 45 minutes a week cleaning.

And then, he says it ruins the family lives of his assistants; it's not about him ... that's who he's worried about and cares about.

1. You're the boss Wes; you have three or four assistants - give them each enough days off so that you always have work coverage.

I've seen this in my own professional life; people with unlimited travel, job transfer and promotion opportunities. Some people, recognizing that this can be a strain take their families with them as much as humanly possible and turn down as many fancy-pants dinners and golf outings as possible, so that when work has travel demands (including the required social events), they are not over-extended away from their families already.

Finally, I would have LOVED to have seen Mike and Terri Woodson on that podcast. I strongly suspect they would have provided some much needed perspective and some mentoring.

[Scotty R]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I watched it. And I've seen this nonsense before.

When Wes Miller says he hasn't had time to clean his own house yet this summer?!!? That's a tell that he's full of sh!t. 

1. He makes about $3 million a year. If he had unlimited time he'd still be hiring a cleaning service.
2. Stop going out to fancy restaurants all the time. You'll have time to send 45 minutes a week cleaning.

And then, he says it ruins the family lives of his assistants; it's not about him ... that's who he's worried about and cares about.

1. You're the boss Wes; you have three or four assistants - give them each enough days off so that you always have work coverage.

I've seen this in my own professional life; people with unlimited travel, job transfer and promotion opportunities. Some people, recognizing that this can be a strain take their families with them as much as humanly possible and turn down as many fancy-pants dinners and golf outings as possible, so that when work has travel demands (including the required social events), they are not over-extended away from their families already.

Finally, I would have LOVED to have seen Mike and Terri Woodson on that podcast. I strongly suspect they would have provided some much needed perspective and some mentoring.

It wasn't just about them getting time off from the job. The main thing about the portal was about being able to know your roster in time for summer school and workouts.

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

It wasn't just about them getting time off from the job. The main thing about the portal was about being able to know your roster in time for summer school and workouts.

That's a different discussion and not what I criticized. Wes Miller advocates for a shorter portal season to get to know his own players? Sure ... why not.

But the stuff from that three minute clip is absolute nonsense, and Wes reveals himself as willing to justify bad decisions when necessary during that clip.

Because you know what truly resonates with high-quality recruits and their parents? A text stating "I'm not gonna be at your AAU tournament games this weekend because it's my anniversary/child's 5th birthday party, and me and the head coach decided I should be home for that. We'll be sending a different assistant this time."

[Scotty R]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

That's a different discussion and not what I criticized. Wes Miller advocates for a shorter portal season to get to know his own players? Sure ... why not.

But the stuff from that three minute clip is absolute nonsense, and Wes reveals himself as willing to justify bad decisions when necessary during that clip.

Because you know what truly resonates with high-quality recruits and their parents? A text stating "I'm not gonna be at your AAU tournament games this weekend because it's my anniversary/child's 5th birthday party, and me and the head coach decided I should be home for that. We'll be sending a different assistant this time."

I just remember the flack that Woodson got when he didn't go to the state finals the year because he went on vacation.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I've seen this in my own professional life; people with unlimited travel, job transfer and promotion opportunities. Some people, recognizing that this can be a strain take their families with them as much as humanly possible and turn down as many fancy-pants dinners and golf outings as possible, so that when work has travel demands (including the required social events), they are not over-extended away from their families already.

Whoa, don't mess with my fancy pants dinners!