College Bball Thread

[AKHoosier 7,084]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

Meh.  It very well might be a down year in the B1G but the Boilers are still a dang good basketball team.

No one said they aren't dang good.

If you're 20-1 you gotta be good, but also lucky.  And they have plenty of both. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,776]

17 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

LOL, ESPN (the most impartial name in Sports) has decided to take game day down to the UNC/Duke match up on the same day IU/PU. Chose a rivalry game between 2 unranked teams over the #1/21 rivalry! Makes sense, I guess.

Thought the same thing...SMH. You know that's all we will hear at halftime of the IU game. 

[Rico 3,210]

22 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

LOL, ESPN (the most impartial name in Sports) has decided to take game day down to the UNC/Duke match up on the same day IU/PU. Chose a rivalry game between 2 unranked teams over the #1/21 rivalry! Makes sense, I guess.

I would expect nothing less from the Evil Empire.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

We cope hard...

A rivalry that has been fantastic for forever or a regional one that hasn't been great for years? One that was played thrice, including in the FF, last season or one that has seen the teams struggle to get into the tourney?

He wouldn't be anything if he wasn't massive. They're the worst Big 1.o championship team ever.

[HoosierX 1,651]

12 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

We cope hard...

A rivalry that has been fantastic for forever or a regional one that hasn't been great for years? One that was played thrice, including in the FF, last season or one that has seen the teams struggle to get into the tourney?

He wouldn't be anything if he wasn't massive. They're the worst Big 1.o championship team ever.

I don't think anyone is arguing IU / Purdue is a better overall rivarly, especially over the past decade. However, a few points:

1) IU throttled North Carolina, and Purdue throttled Duke - IU / Purdue is the better game in terms of quality of basketball.

2) This will arguably be the most anticipated IU / Purdue game in a decade and one of the least anticipated UNC / Duke games in a decade.

Pretty good argument to be made that gameday should be at IU.

 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,302]

9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

We cope hard...

A rivalry that has been fantastic for forever or a regional one that hasn't been great for years? One that was played thrice, including in the FF, last season or one that has seen the teams struggle to get into the tourney?

He wouldn't be anything if he wasn't massive. They're the worst Big 1.o championship team ever.

I wasn’t aware last year’s teams were playing.  In any event, ESPN lost the Big 10 contract so they will be show the ACC every day and twice on Sunday, regardless of how good the teams are.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

6 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

I don't think anyone is arguing IU / Purdue is a better overall rivarly, especially over the past decade. However, a A few points:

1) IU throttled North Carolina, and Purdue throttled Duke - IU / Purdue is the better game in terms of quality of basketball.

2) This will arguably be the most anticipated IU / Purdue game in a decade and one of the least anticipated UNC / Duke games in a decade.

Pretty good argument to be made that gameday should be at IU.

 

What IU did to UNC at home or what purdoodoo did to Dook on a neutral court matters very little in where gameday is hosted or should be hosted. If that were the case there are several games that will probably be better suited for "quality of basketball" starting in the Big 12 with #8 Kansas (the one that throttled IU) and #13 Iowa State or #10 Texas at #7 Kansas State. The "quality of basketball" will probably be better.

If you wanted a quality game with a rivalry aspect to it you could look at Gonzaga vs. St. Mary's.

These aren't determined by quality of basketball but by hype and eyeballs. I'd venture to guess that Dook/UNC has had much better TV ratings than IU/purdoodoo. IF, massive IF, both IU and purdoodoo can be towards the top of basketball and produce great results (not just regional) over the next 5 years we might have a leg to stand on. Take just one of UNC/Dook and they have better results than IU/purdoodoo combined over the past [choose your time frame].

Dook/UNC is a national rivalry
IU/purdoodoo is a regional rivalry

[HoosierX 1,651]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What IU did to UNC at home or what purdoodoo did to Dook on a neutral court matters very little in where gameday is hosted or should be hosted. If that were the case there are several games that will probably be better suited for "quality of basketball" starting in the Big 12 with #8 Kansas (the one that throttled IU) and #13 Iowa State or #10 Texas at #7 Kansas State. The "quality of basketball" will probably be better.

If you wanted a quality game with a rivalry aspect to it you could look at Gonzaga vs. St. Mary's.

These aren't determined by quality of basketball but by hype and eyeballs. I'd venture to guess that Dook/UNC has had much better TV ratings than IU/purdoodoo. IF, massive IF, both IU and purdoodoo can be towards the top of basketball and produce great results (not just regional) over the next 5 years we might have a leg to stand on. Take just one of UNC/Dook and they have better results than IU/purdoodoo combined over the past [choose your time frame].

Dook/UNC is a national rivalry
IU/purdoodoo is a regional rivalry

While your argument may have a leg to stand on regarding quality of games, I was previously conceding quality of rivalry. You now have mentioned three games where the rivalries are not at the level of IU / Purdue. 

And Duke / UNC will not get near the ratings it has gotten in previous years. Maybe it will be a higher rated game than IU / Purdue, but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on it.

[str8baller 5,696]

47 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

MSU was without Malik Hall, OSU was without Key and McNeil missed a decent amount of time, Maryland came within 3 at the end.

They'll be the least impressive B1G champion in recent memory IMO.

Hall played Sunday and they got waxed.  Compared to most teams they’ve been fortunate with injuries, but that’s kind of life for all top teams. Very few survive key injuries. 
 

The least impressive B1G champion in recent memory is almost definitely us (unfortunately) in 2016. That is true by ranking, kenpom ranking, and tourney seeding.   Maybe Purdue will stumble down the stretch and take that distinction from us.  
 

I still think a small, hot shooting team takes them out early in the tourney, but through 20 games they’re definitely one of the five best teams in the country. 

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

31 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

I don't think anyone is arguing IU / Purdue is a better overall rivarly, especially over the past decade. However, a few points:

1) IU throttled North Carolina, and Purdue throttled Duke - IU / Purdue is the better game in terms of quality of basketball.

2) This will arguably be the most anticipated IU / Purdue game in a decade and one of the least anticipated UNC / Duke games in a decade.

Pretty good argument to be made that gameday should be at IU.

 

 

7 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

While your argument may have a leg to stand on regarding quality of games, I was previously conceding quality of rivalry. You now have mentioned three games where the rivalries are not at the level of IU / Purdue. 

And Duke / UNC will not get near the ratings it has gotten in previous years. Maybe it will be a higher rated game than IU / Purdue, but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on it.

You mentioned quality of basketball. I provided three matchups that will most likely have better quality of basketball and less tackling. The Big 12 games will include the top 4 teams in a stacked conference this season.

Time will tell on those ratings. I guess we did have the highest rated game with purdoodoo for a secondary or BTN a few years back. I'm sure that caught the eye of ESPN. We're a has been national rivalry. Dook/UNC is THE rivalry in college basketball. It's silly to try to compare those and the accomplishments that have come with those teams. purdoodoo has had a fantastic run by their standards and it's included a whopping one trip to the EE, we're struggling to consistently make the tourney. Dook and UNC are competing and winning nattys.

[OliviaPope40 6,664]

2 hours ago, reconmkd said:

LOL, ESPN (the most impartial name in Sports) has decided to take game day down to the UNC/Duke match up on the same day IU/PU. Chose a rivalry game between 2 unranked teams over the #1/21 rivalry! Makes sense, I guess.

This one to me doesn't make sense why wouldn't a game with two ranked teams one being ranked number one.

[TheWatShot 14,345]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

 

The least impressive B1G champion in recent memory is almost definitely us (unfortunately) in 2016. That is true by ranking, kenpom ranking, and tourney seeding.   Maybe Purdue will stumble down the stretch and take that distinction from us.  
 

If you're using Kenpom rankings, then it would almost have to be Wisconsin last year. Our 2016 team was #11 in Kenpom and finished with the 6th ranked offense. Wisconsin was #37 overall and had the 62nd ranked offense, not to mention they shared the title. 

 

Anyone who thinks our last Big Ten title team wasn't impressive must not have watched them or is massively misremembering. 

[RaceToTheTop 26,666]

2 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

MSU was without Malik Hall, OSU was without Key and McNeil missed a decent amount of time, Maryland came within 3 at the end.

They'll be the least impressive B1G champion in recent memory IMO.

Wisconsin and Illinois won the Big Ten last year.  They ended the year ranked 14th and 19th and Illinois lost 10 games on the season.  I would say that's pretty recent memory.

[RaceToTheTop 26,666]

BTownBanners Top 25 poll (LCS/WAR/Joe combined poll):

• 1.  Purdue (2)  21-1 (72 points)
• 2.  Alabama  18-3 (68 points)
• 3T. Tennessee (1)  18-3  (67 points)
• 3T. Houston 20-2 (67 points)
• 5.  Arizona 19-3 (59 points)
• 6.  Kansas 17-4 (58 points)
• 7T. Kansas St 18-3 (55 points)
• 7T. UCLA 17-4 (55 points)
• 9.  Texas 17-4 (50 points)
• 10. Gonzaga 17-4 (46 points)
• 11. Virginia 16-3 (44 points)
• 12. Marquette 17-5 (42 points)
• 13. Baylor 16-5 (40 points)
• 14. Xavier 17-5 (34 points)
• 15. Iowa St 15-5 (33 points)
• 16. Florida Atlantic 18-1 (29 points)
• 17. St. Mary's 17-5 (27 points)
• 18. TCU 16-5 (24 points)
• 19. San Diiego St 16-4 (23 points)
• 20. Connecticutt 16-6 (18 points)
• 21. Providence 17-5 (17 points)
• 22. Clemson 18-4 (8 points)
• 23. Indiana 15-6 (6 points)
• 24T.Missouri 16-5 (5 points)
• 24T.New Mexico 18-3 (5 points)

Also receiving votes:  North Carolina 14-6 (4 points), Boise St 16-5 (4 points), Memphis 17-5 (3 points). North Caroilna St 17-5 (3 points), Duke 15-6 (3 points), Auburn 16-5 (2 points), Utah State 16-5 (2 points), USC 15-6 (1 point), Illinois 15-6 (1 point).

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,836]

Colgate up 18 right now. Win stretches win streak to 11. Only Florida Atlantic would have a longer streak. Saint Mary's also has a 10 game winning streak going. 

[Rico 3,210]

6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Colgate up 18 right now. Win stretches win streak to 11. Only Florida Atlantic would have a longer streak. Saint Mary's also has a 10 game winning streak going. 

[str8baller 5,696]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

If you're using Kenpom rankings

I wasn’t solely, quite obviously and for good reason.  That Wisconsin team was ranked higher than IU at each of their peaks and got a higher seed from the committee. That Wisconsin team was weak for a champion but quite comparable to our 2016 team where we were the best of a down B1G.
 

I wasn't counting shared champs though, because it seems unlikely that will happen to Purdue. I don’t count them as the same thing, honestly, as an outright champ.  But I didn’t state that in my post so that confusion is on me.

 

In any event, *if* Purdue’s last ten games are anything close to their first twenty, they’ll be so far and above those examples they’ll have no claim to the worst Big Ten champ. 

[TheWatShot 14,345]

8 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I wasn’t solely, quite obviously and for good reason.  That Wisconsin team was ranked higher than IU at each of their peaks and got a higher seed from the committee. That Wisconsin team was weak for a champion but quite comparable to our 2016 team where we were the best of a down B1G.
 

I still think you're letting recency bias get in the way. That team was 15-3, didn't lose at home, had four wins by 25 or more points and scored 28 straight points in another game. They got screwed without lube by the selection committee, who wanted an IU-UK second round matchup so badly they shafted both teams with their seeding, and still beat the SEC champs in the second round. And they still had the #6 adjusted offense in spite of losing a big scorer midseason. 

 

Just because we haven't finished above .500 in conference since then doesn't mean that team was a weak champion. 

[RaceToTheTop 26,666]

How about this one:  1995-6 Purdue won the Big Ten title but their official conference record was 6-12.  The NCAA forced them to officially forfeit games in which Luther Clay participated in -- he was an 8 minute per game player and played in 19 of Purdue's wins.  The Big Ten, though, did not ever officially remove Purdue as the Big Ten champion.

Clay was deemed ineligible due to an improper benefit -- Purdue assistant coach Frank Kendrick provided him with a $4,000 bank loan.

[RaceToTheTop 26,666]

FWIW, LCS had three teams in his top 25 that Joe and I did not;  Joe had three that he had in that LCS and I did not;  I had four teams in that LCS and Joe did not.

LCS had Clemson (18), North Carolina (22), and NC State (23), so obviously he values the ACC higher than Joe and I do.

Joe had New Mexico (21), Boise St (22) and Duke (23) in, so he values the MWC higher than LCS and I do.

I had Missouri (21), Memphis (23), Auburn (24), and USC (25) in, so I value the SEC higher than they do (or programs that traditionally cheat).