College Bball Thread

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, biteoftheapple said:

20 minutes ago, InArchWeTrust said:

ESPN’s love affair with Duke and Zion is sickening.  ESPNU is currently showing the IU vs Duke game as part of a Duke marathon the way it looks.  Gag me!

ESPN has to find their next one, as Lebron is aging.

Still a little surprised the Lakers weren’t admitted to the playoffs for “basketball reasons”

[Hillsdale87]

We hired the wrong guy. Archie is lazy and it shows.


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[Sam_Boger]

Grimes entered the transfer portal.


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[HinnyHoosier]

Kerry Blackshear withdraws from the draft and will explore grad transfer options.


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[MoyeNeeded]

29 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Kerry Blackshear withdraws from the draft and will explore grad transfer options.


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I would love to have this guy!

[MoyeNeeded]

EJ Montgomery returning to pUKe. Another body to take away mins from Keion Brooks Jr. He'll be lucky to see 15-17 min/game.

[Hillsdale87]

Nwora coming back to UofL. Are we like the only program that good things aren’t happening to?


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[BtownBanner6]

Grimes would be nice to have, and we have the space to eat up a scholarship 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

It does kind of feel that way. I don't think Archie is lazy or stupid or forgot how to coach...but I'm a lot less confident he's 'The Guy' then I was a year ago. Really hoping for an over-achieving season from a fairly pedestrian roster....otherwise it will be a real bummer with no hope for the foreseeable future. 

Sadly, the program feels like it has zero momentum. I’m not counting on Archie surprising me. So yeah, I’m a little worried.

 

Until our administration changes, I don’t even care who our coach is. Coach K couldn’t win at Indiana with this administration.

 

It seems the Keion Brooks recruitment was kinda the figurative nail in our program’s “momentum” coffin.

 

The Langford experiment and the historic losing streak didn’t help matters either.

 

My attitude towards the basketball team is shifting to how I root for IUFB. Root for wins but expect losses.

 

 

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[HinnyHoosier]

I’m not an Archie hater. But we passed on Mack and Holtman for this guy. And they are killing us.


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It's been said in here before that Holtmann was on record as all but saying the Indiana job was too big for him. If true? Good. Go coach at a pretend basketball school one state over.

Who knows. Maybe Indiana inquired to Mack and he either said, "Thanks, but no thanks" or wasn't interested in a change at the time.

While either would have been a good hire theoretically, neither was a fit.

Moving on: No. Indiana is not the only program with good things not happening. There are also not bad things happening. It doesn't matter how hard "we" cry, no one will cry with us. So let's stop crying.


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[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

It's been said in here before that Holtmann was on record as all but saying the Indiana job was too big for him. If true? Good. Go coach at a pretend basketball school one state over.

Who knows. Maybe Indiana inquired to Mack and he either said, "Thanks, but no thanks" or wasn't interested in a change at the time.

While either would have been a good hire theoretically, neither was a fit.

Moving on: No. Indiana is not the only program with good things not happening. There are also not bad things happening. It doesn't matter how hard "we" cry, no one will cry with us. So let's stop crying.


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People aren’t crying. They are stating their objective opinion. 

And even if they were sad and crying a guaranteed way to not cheer somebody up is to tell them to stop being sad 

[HinnyHoosier]

People aren’t crying. They are stating their objective opinion. 
And even if they were sad and crying a guaranteed way to not cheer somebody up is to tell them to stop being sad 

Depends on the reason they're crying. Or (in most cases) moping. Or whatever you want to call the 'woe is me' outlook around here. Opinions most certainly can come across in a whining fashion. My opinion (a grumpy one, evidently): Too many people can't handle the long play. Also my opinion: Yes, this season had better show some promise. Let's just see what happens. More has been done with less, and less has been done with more.

I'm not normally so forward and snarky, sorry.

(But I'm not entirely sorry.)


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

Depends on the reason they're crying. Or (in most cases) moping. Or whatever you want to call the 'woe is me' outlook around here. Opinions most certainly can come across in a whining fashion. My opinion (a grumpy one, evidently): Too many people can't handle the long play. Also my opinion: Yes, this season had better show some promise. Let's just see what happens. More has been done with less, and less has been done with more.

I'm not normally so forward and snarky, sorry.

(But I'm not entirely sorry.)


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Oh please don’t try to pretend that people are stupid or aren’t able to recognize the long play because they don’t agree with your assessment. 

Archie had every opportunity to make the tourney in year 2. And now looks poised to miss it until at best year 4. He ignored and never addressed lack of effort an entire season. And something else before screw up selfish another thing that wasn’t dealt with  

In my years of leadership I have learned that people will endure a screw up for far longer than they will a slacker before morale goes into the crapper. 

Going into year 3, we are still incredibly young and are an injured PG away from being a chaotic mess.  And of effort was optional in year 2 I don’t see a lot of promise to it being required in year 3

[HinnyHoosier]

Oh please don’t try to pretend that people are stupid or aren’t able to recognize the long play because they don’t agree with your assessment. 
Archie had every opportunity to make the tourney in year 2. And now looks poised to miss it until at best year 4. He ignored and never addressed lack of effort an entire season. And something else before screw up selfish another thing that wasn’t dealt with  
In my years of leadership I have learned that people will endure a screw up for far longer than they will a slacker before morale goes into the crapper. 
Going into year 3, we are still incredibly young and are an injured PG away from being a chaotic mess.  And of effort was optional in year 2 I don’t see a lot of promise to it being required in year 3

I'll ask you to stop putting words in my mouth as your first instinct. Until you can do that, your opinion matters none to me.


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[HoosierAloha]

Oh please don’t try to pretend that people are stupid or aren’t able to recognize the long play because they don’t agree with your assessment. 
Archie had every opportunity to make the tourney in year 2. And now looks poised to miss it until at best year 4. He ignored and never addressed lack of effort an entire season. And something else before screw up selfish another thing that wasn’t dealt with  
In my years of leadership I have learned that people will endure a screw up for far longer than they will a slacker before morale goes into the crapper. 
Going into year 3, we are still incredibly young and are an injured PG away from being a chaotic mess.  And of effort was optional in year 2 I don’t see a lot of promise to it being required in year 3

I saw some benchings and no starts for second halves so let’s not act like there was zero consequences. Was there enough of it? I’d probably have done things differently but I’m also not a college coach for a reason.

I will say this though... if you can’t get fired up to play college ball you probably shouldn’t be playing college ball. If you can’t get fired up to play at Indiana University you should probably be playing elsewhere. Hopefully, those issues along with some maturity have been dealt with. Time will tell, as will Archie’s job security.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball1 said:

I’m not an Archie hater. But we passed on Mack and Holtman for this guy. And they are killing us.


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You may not be an Archie hater, but the guy writing your posts seems to be one. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Chris Mack went 20-14 last season. Holtmann went 20-15 and 8-12 in the conference last year. Archie went 19-16 and 8-12 in the conference last year. Archie/IU struggled but let's not act like Mack and Holtmann killed it last year either. If Holtmann went 20-15 here last year and 8-12 in conference, after going 25-9 and 15-3 in his first season, the people complaining about Archie would be complaining about how Holtmann can't get it done with his own players. 

We have three guys coming in who fill important needs and, more importantly, want to be Hoosiers. Let's wait and see what happens next year before declaring the program dead in the water. 

[HoosierFan1994]

Spent time looking at the "early top 25's". They have a little more substance now with the draft deadline. Some kids will still come back after going undrafted and some transfers remain. Some takeaways: 

1) The Big Ten is going to be the best conference by far. Michigan State is the consensus #1 team. Maryland and Ohio State will be final four contenders. Purdue and Michigan will be solid. Think Iowa and Minnesota are tournament teams. That seems to be bad news for IU but...

2) I think the rest of college basketball is going to be really really weak. Teams don't seem to be as talented as last year. (Example-Duke is the #2 preseason team in lots of polls..no way they are more talented than last years team. Same with UK-top 4 team) Lot of teams starting from scratch. That is good news for IU. They will play in the #1 conference. I have them as #8 in the Big Ten. That probably gets you an 8-10 seed in the tournament. No, banner six isn't coming in 2020 but making the tournament is a good step. 

3) As I said Michigan State is the clear cut #1. Doesn't mean anything but I don't see who else can take the top spot. Duke, Memphis, and UK will be talented. But I am adamant the one and done stuff doesn't work. Louisville is an intriguing team. Experience, grad transfers, top 10 class. 

I think this is a massive year for Archie Miller. They are relying on player development this year. I can see a scenario where if football really does bad that puts Fred Glass in a bad spot. If IU misses the tournament in this scenario I think the board fires Glass. Not sure what a new AD would do with Archie. I see IU as a 18-13 .500 Big Ten Team. We will see. 

Also unrelated but my Indiana college bold prediction is that the Evansville Aces will make the NCAA tournament this season. The Valley isn't what it used to be and McCarty has a ton of talent here. I think they have two top 150 kids. Think they had four total kids sitting out last year and all four could have started. 

[Brass Cannon]

26 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Chris Mack went 20-14 last season. Holtmann went 20-15 and 8-12 in the conference last year. Archie went 19-16 and 8-12 in the conference last year. Archie/IU struggled but let's not act like Mack and Holtmann killed it last year either. If Holtmann went 20-15 here last year and 8-12 in conference, after going 25-9 and 15-3 in his first season, the people complaining about Archie would be complaining about how Holtmann can't get it done with his own players. 

We have three guys coming in who fill important needs and, more importantly, want to be Hoosiers. Let's wait and see what happens next year before declaring the program dead in the water. 

They made the tourney so let’s not just look at records. At the end of day Holtmann and Mack are getting the job done

[bigrod]

13 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Ohio State in the Final Four? Idk. They are good but not that good yet.


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Also, if there is a knock against Holtmann, it's that he hasn't had much tournament success.