College Bball Thread

[OliviaPope40]

 

[OliviaPope40]

 

[OliviaPope40]

 

[Brass Cannon]

Wow didn't expect vacation of any wins. My hopes that UNC will actually get punished rise a little

[VO5]

Meh. Pitino should've been fired for this. Vacating wins doesn't do anything. I don't care what anyone says, Pitino knew about this in some way or another.

[Brass Cannon]

We really need a postseason ban if we want help with Romeo though

[Dalton26]

^ agreed on the vacating wins part. Vacating wins is the biggest joke of a punishment ever.

 

UofL got off pretty easy imo, but I think this sets the stage for UNC to get off easy too. Looks like the NCAA copied the Coach K style of punishing.

[Hoosierfan2017]

So basically they're gonna come out of this just fine. There's no reason to follow the rules. Don't rat yourself out and you'll be okay. 

[Brass Cannon]

Vacating a NC is nothing I sneeze at. 

Honestly this is more than I expected.  And with the way UNC has challenged the NCAA I would expect harsher punishment. 

[VO5]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Vacating a NC is nothing I sneeze at. 

Honestly this is more than I expected.  And with the way UNC has challenged the NCAA I would expect harsher punishment. 

Vacating something is like saying "oh yeah, remember those guys playing and winning a NC? Forget that, they were never there." Nobody is going to forget UL won it on the court. So "taking away" a NC is nothing. Everyone knows they earned it through play. The issue is HOW they got those players in the first place. So simply taking it away isn't a punishment at all really.

[HoosierAloha]

Basically a slap on the wrist and a "hear me roar" warning. The natty won't be vacated. Has there ever been a NCAAM basketball title vacated?

[Brass Cannon]

We now have a more recent National Championship. That can matter. And if a recruit tells Archie "but hey they won in 2013" Archie can just turn that around on them. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Basically a slap on the wrist and a "hear me roar" warning. The natty won't be vacated. Has there ever been a NCAAM basketball title vacated?

No but they did it for football. You can't vacate all the wins that led to it but keep the award that would be more of a joke. Like Purdues big ten title. 

[OliviaPope40]

In terms of football look at the issue that happened at SMU and the way the NCAA ruled on that they handed them the death penalty. 

[VO5]

My take is this. If the big punishment for them is to vacate a title, they're getting off as easy as they could. UL just says "Okay" and goes on conducting business as usual. 

A real punishment would be for Pitino to get fired/suspended for a year and losing 3-4 schollies for a few years. That says more than pretending to lose something they played for. 

[Stuhoo]

I dunno. Seems like if they vacate the wins the penalties are pretty harsh and then some. From the Rick Bozich article on the penalties:

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) — In perhaps the harshest penalties ever assigned to a Division I men’s basketball program in the modern era, the University of Louisville must vacate its basketball records from 2010 through 2014 under penalties handed down by the NCAA infractions committee on Thursday in connection to the sex-for-recruits scandal in the men’s basketball program.

Louisville won the 2013 men's basketball title and also appeared in the 2012 NCAA Final Four.

Cardinals’ coach Rick Pitino was given a five-game suspension, to be served during U of L’s first five Atlantic Coast Conference games.  Director of basketball operations Andre McGee, who was found to have arranged the stripper parties in the men’s basketball dorm, was given a ten-year show cause penalty.

The program faces four years of probation going forward, and must vacate the records from the 2010-14 seasons, which could include 123 victories, two Big East Conference Championships, and an American Athletic Conference championship. The school will be ordered to return its financial shares from four NCAA Tournaments.

There will be no further post-season ban or reduction of scholarships.

Louisville took itself out of the Atlantic Coast Conference and NCAA Tournaments, even though the Cardinals finished 23-8 and projected as a possible No. 3 seed in the NCAA Tournament after they finished fourth in the ACC regular season.

Louisville added to the self-imposed penalties by reducing the number of players on scholarship last season from 13 to 11 and by cutting back on the number of recruiting visits and off-campus recruiting trips and contacts by the coaching staff.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, OliviaPope40 said:

In terms of football look at the issue that happened at SMU and the way the NCAA ruled on that they handed them the death penalty. 

They're not going to get the death penalty, too much money involved. 

[reconmkd]

From ESPN looks like they are loosing scholly's as well. "In addition, the Cardinals will face scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions and the forfeiture of any money received though conference revenue sharing from the 2012-15 NCAA tournaments."

[Brass Cannon]

Angry fans are calling for Pitinos job. That could really help us. 

[mdn82]

Vacating something is like saying "oh yeah, remember those guys playing and winning a NC? Forget that, they were never there." Nobody is going to forget UL won it on the court. So "taking away" a NC is nothing. Everyone knows they earned it through play. The issue is HOW they got those players in the first place. So simply taking it away isn't a punishment at all really.

I disagree. You take the Final Four and Title banner down and essentially that pisses boosters off more than a suspension or a firing. Pitino would never have been able to be proven directly responsible. This is probably the harshest penalty in NCAA basketball in the last 50 years. You don't remember the games as much as the record books after a few years. This is huge.


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