JaQuan Lyle off the board

[Hutch89]

Stu, you want me to go recruit him? :)

 

Work your magic, Naples!   try not to "creep" him out though. 

[LazOffTheBench]

Nips, I always suspected you were a "close talker". LOL.

[hoosierinIll]

If true and at all verified I can't believe it wouldn't have blown up more. It's possibly the worst coaching decision I've ever heard of. It would be universally panned everywhere there is to pan a decision if it were verified right? It's not even something you have to be an expert to realize. Outside of stretches and keeping loose the team shouldn't be doing anything requiring more exertion than picking up a bong and a blintz. All you have to do is watch the last quarter of L'Vile to see why.
 
 

And that's believable and more acceptable. It's more than I'd like, but can totally dig and not be flabbergasted about. Things that make our players exert any more energy than necessary before the game are unacceptable.

I guess the announcers just answered this question for us when they said, " Coach Crean treats the shoot around as a real practice." Oh boy.

[8bucks]

I guess the announcers just answered this question for us when they said, " Coach Crean treats the shoot around as a real practice." Oh boy.

Yeah I heard that too. There were announcers back in 12/13 that made comments as well about how hard and intense our practices were that year too.

[LazOffTheBench]

Late in the '12-'13 season, I heard from reputable sources that big donors were telling Crean to ease up on practices because the players were exhausted.

[bnkepner]

So this thread officially has nothing to do with Jaquan Lyle? hahah

[bleedhoosier]

I guess the announcers just answered this question for us when they said, " Coach Crean treats the shoot around as a real practice." Oh boy.

Yea nothing like starting the game at half strength lol. Maybe Je'ney needs to step in with his background on muscle glycogen and Adenosine Triphosphate regeneration

[hoosierinIll]

Yea nothing like starting the game at half strength lol. Maybe Je'ney needs to step in with his background on muscle glycogen and Adenosine Triphosphate regeneration

Is that like turkey tryptophan? :)

[bleedhoosier]

Is that like turkey tryptophan? :)

Not exactly but now I'm at the fridge.. lol

[rebelhoosier848891]

Tryptophan?  I don't know about that---- but I am an IUphan!  :)

 

Back on topic----anybody hearing anything more on Lyle?

[schoosier]

That explains the tailspin that team was in after @MSU.  We've looked like we were out of gas at the end of the season a few times.

Its a complete breakdown of the entire staff when all of these paid professionals from coaches to trainers cannot clue in the head coach about "peaking" his players. Combine that with Crean's ego which is apparent in every losing post game presser, and you have a recipe for post season disaster. Crean never played at a high level so he probably just doesn't understand. After all these years at IU, watching his sideline behavior guzzling DietCokes and his maniacal pacing and coaching is still troubling at best. I am convinced he has no sense of pace of the game, trends, who's doing what, or anything related to earn his big payday. He's a miserable game coach that must leave his best coaching in his 2 1/2-3 hour pregame practices just like his teams.

[JSHoosier]

Its a complete breakdown of the entire staff when all of these paid professionals from coaches to trainers cannot clue in the head coach about "peaking" his players. Combine that with Crean's ego which is apparent in every losing post game presser, and you have a recipe for post season disaster. Crean never played at a high level so he probably just doesn't understand. After all these years at IU, watching his sideline behavior guzzling DietCokes and his maniacal pacing and coaching is still troubling at best. I am convinced he has no sense of pace of the game, trends, who's doing what, or anything related to earn his big payday. He's a miserable game coach that must leave his best coaching in his 2 1/2-3 hour pregame practices just like his teams.

You'd think he would've learned something from Izzo, a guy that regularly has his team playing their absolute best going into March.  Apparently not.

[BGleas]

That's ridiculous if true. I remember my high school coach always cut practices down after the holidays. Practices the day before a game would be about 45 minutes to an hour long and mostly just shell/walk through game planning, scouting reports and fine tuning our stuff. We were always better as the season wore on. 

 

My college coach was the complete opposite. He'd run us hard even in February. I remember one time having a full 20 minute intra-sqaud scrimmage the morning of a game, and another time actually running suicide sprints during a game-day morning shoot-around. My college teams were always worse as the season went on. 

[schoosier]

That's ridiculous if true. I remember my high school coach always cut practices down after the holidays. Practices the day before a game would be about 45 minutes to an hour long and mostly just shell/walk through game planning, scouting reports and fine tuning our stuff. We were always better as the season wore on. 
 
My college coach was the complete opposite. He'd run us hard even in February. I remember one time having a full 20 minute intra-sqaud scrimmage the morning of a game, and another time actually running suicide sprints during a game-day morning shoot-around. My college teams were always worse as the season went on.

Great example of how a high school coach understood more about his team's performance than a college coach. Maybe since college coaches have more time and resources they think all this extra paractice will pay off in games. But it never does, and Indiana 2012-13 was aperfect example. They started sputtering towards the end of Big play, played worse in the Big tournament and looked really bad in the NCAA tournament. Practices need to be cut back even the overall mental preparation. More time should be focused on health related issues and peaking both mentally and physically to avoid burnout.

[bleedhoosier]

Agreed with these posts above. I don't know how Je'ney doesn't body slam Crean with this starts happening late in the season. I'm a little cocky myself but Crean could seriously use some humility in regards to coaching. I do like how he has made some "references" to making some mistakes lately

[mdn82]

Mechanics??? Are u kidding? Agree to disagree. Go watch last 5-10 games that season and look carefully at how we were defended.

I think I gotta agree with the apologist on his point. Teams were sagging on Yogi cause they would rather him shoot than drive. That is just a basic stuff there. The only other two players sagged on late in that season were Vic and Cody. Vic took what the defense gave us. I too watch a lot of the old game films. On that team if you are playing pick your poison against us 100% of the time you sag on yogi so he can't drive and help on hulls and wat. Vic you let him shoot in spite of his percentage that year. Cody? You get under him and he struggles... I can't say I disagree with how yogi was utilized that season with how that team was constructed.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think I gotta agree with the apologist on his point. Teams were sagging on Yogi cause they would rather him shoot than drive. That is just a basic stuff there. The only other two players sagged on late in that season were Vic and Cody. Vic took what the defense gave us. I too watch a lot of the old game films. On that team if you are playing pick your poison against us 100% of the time you sag on yogi so he can't drive and help on hulls and wat. Vic you let him shoot in spite of his percentage that year. Cody? You get under him and he struggles... I can't say I disagree with how yogi was utilized that season with how that team was constructed.

I agree that the first adjustment of having Yogi shoot less based on percentages was a sound move. Problem was other teams figured this out and guarded us differently. We never responded to the altered defenses. What I am saying is, either modify your plays OR personnel to open up the court OR let Yogi take a couple open shots to break the sag. If he misses one or 2 we are in no different position. If he hits one, it changes the whole game. As it was, we played INTO the defensive schemes others employed on us vs. Finding a way to make it our advantage.

[mdn82]

I agree that the first adjustment of having Yogi shoot less based on percentages was a sound move. Problem was other teams figured this out and guarded us differently. We never responded to the altered defenses. What I am saying is, either modify your plays OR personnel to open up the court OR let Yogi take a couple open shots to break the sag. If he misses one or 2 we are in no different position. If he hits one, it changes the whole game. As it was, we played INTO the defensive schemes others employed on us vs. Finding a way to make it our advantage.

I definitely get what you are saying. I think it was more of the lack of versatility all around that year more than a Yogi thing. Outside of Vic nobody could score consistently outside of their go to spots on the court. I think if we go that deep into it, it is hard to say if it was personnel or coaching. Coaching is trying to get a player in a position to succeed. A players role is to succeed in the role given. Each player outside of Vic was really one dimensional with how they scored that year. A simple scouting report if used with patience would hurt us. Syracuse plays disciplined defense. Bad matchup any year with the players we had. It's a discussion that goes round and round but I could see a little for each side honestly.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

So Jerry Meyer is predicting Jaquan Lyle to OSU for 2015. Don't want to have to play this kid...

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Ugh