Mike Woodson

[LIHoosier 26,205]

On around the horn in minutes...


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That awful show is still on TV?!?

[JSHoosier 20,232]

Just heard in ESPN 1070 the fan an IU booster has called in and addressed the issue saying he's been getting many calls from various boosters saying they in fact want crean gone. He also said that there is a RUMOR that 2-3 players will be gone NOT including Vonleh and the seniors.

If that's true it would depend on who left.  Any key pieces, and next year would likely result in an NIT at best and we would've seen an exact repeat of the only good year Crean had at Marquette.

 

Really? There have been a few times over my life where I have really just been disappointed with this fan base. Well here's another one. All this talk about getting rid of CTC is really starting to piss me off. Did we really forget how far this program has come? Or the fact that we lost two top 5 picks and 3 other professional players last year? Yea this team has underperformed this year and yes I'm just as frustrated as everyone else believe me. But there has not been one time that I have thought that Coach Crean was not the right person to have this job. I mean really people, get off the ledge! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

The rebuild is over, and expectations shifted.  At this point, what he did is irrelevent.  The question is what can he do going foward and his history says not much.  Being the right coach for the rebuild does not mean he is the right coach to take us to the next level, and that would require him doing something he hasn't done in his 15 year career.

 

I didn't think any rumblings would be this fast (if it's true), but none of us should be surprised.  He's getting paid a lot of money to do better than he's done in his entire career, he's got an astronomical buyout because he managed to convince Glass he should be extended after one measly Sweet 16 appearance.  This year is squarely on his shoulders, and for us to be where we should expect he has to improve A LOT.

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I think its way too early to talk about getting rid of Crean.  IF, and I mean IF it does happen, Doug Gottlieb brought up a good point about the first call being to Brad Stephens.  I'd be happy with that.  Thoughts?  

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

I think its way too early to talk about getting rid of Crean.  IF, and I mean IF it does happen, Doug Gottlieb brought up a good point about the first call being to Brad Stephens.  I'd be happy with that.  Thoughts?  

 

Uhhhh... He has a looooong way to go on that Celtics contract. WTF is Gottlieb talking about?

[KingPG21 6,584]

I think its way too early to talk about getting rid of Crean.  IF, and I mean IF it does happen, Doug Gottlieb brought up a good point about the first call being to Brad Stephens.  I'd be happy with that.  Thoughts?  

It isn't going to happen with his current contract, but I mean it wouldn't hurt to call the guy

[Hovadipo 56,256]

[quote name="ElectricBoogaloo" post="47614" timestamp="1394832123"]Uhhhh... He has a looooong way to go on that Celtics contract. WTF is Gottlieb talking about?[/quote]

Even he doesn't know. Can't stand that guy.


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

I honestly believe that Stevens is the ONLY coach that Glass would part from Crean for at this point. If the conversation happened that Stevens hates the NBA life style and travel, then maybe it could happen. I don't see that conversation happening though.

In my gut, Crean coaches us for two more years. I think he's out after those two years unless he gets another Big Ten Champ & Final Four...


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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="47612" timestamp="1394831963"]

The rebuild is over, and expectations shifted. At this point, what he did is irrelevent. The question is what can he do going foward and his history says not much. Being the right coach for the rebuild does not mean he is the right coach to take us to the next level, and that would require him doing something he hasn't done in his 15 year career.

I didn't think any rumblings would be this fast (if it's true), but none of us should be surprised. He's getting paid a lot of money to do better than he's done in his entire career, he's got an astronomical buyout because he managed to convince Glass he should be extended after one measly Sweet 16 appearance. This year is squarely on his shoulders, and for us to be where we should expect he has to improve A LOT.[/quote]


Back to my point. What coach would take the job under those circumstances? IF coach is let go within the next few years IU basically starts over with an unproven or only slightly proven coach. Where is that getting us?

Coach is getting compensated nicely at the same time the university is also capitalizing on donors who are dis hinging out the dough.

Stability, stability, stability. If IU makes it to the tourney the next few years with a decent run that will be 4 of 5 years making the tourney with a few SS and possibly more. That would keep him on at IU for a little while longer and elevate the program to the next level.




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[JSHoosier 20,232]

Uhhhh... He has a looooong way to go on that Celtics contract. WTF is Gottlieb talking about?

I doubt if Gottlieb knows what Gottlieb is talking about.  Trying to figure out what Gottlieb is talking about is like trying to figure out what Crean is trying to accomplish with some of his subsitutions, there's not enough aspirin in the world of the ensuing headache.

[JSHoosier 20,232]

Back to my point. What coach would take the job under those circumstances? IF coach is let go within the next few years IU basically starts over with an unproven or only slightly proven coach. Where is that getting us?

Coach is getting compensated nicely at the same time the university is also capitalizing on donors who are dis hinging out the dough.

Stability, stability, stability. If IU makes it to the tourney the next few years with a decent run that will be 4 of 5 years making the tourney with a few SS and possibly more. That would keep him on at IU for a little while longer and elevate the program to the next level.




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I don't think he'd be replaced yet, simply because of his astronomical buyout.  

 

No, making the tournament a few years in a row wouldn't elevate the program to a new level.  It'd be meeting what should be bare minimum expectations, and it'd be "congratulations, Tom, you made one of the all-time best programs mediocre just like you did with Marquette.  Good to see in over 15 years you've never improved".

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Just heard a rumor (at least 3rd hand from the supposed source (thats now fourth hand for you all)) that the boosters are rallying to get rid of CTC, and their chosen replacement is Tony Bennett. And no, I'm not just screwing around, heard that one at the local BBQ joint a few minutes ago.

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I know this may not be the popular answer, but I would like to see Crean get one more year.  I think he deserves that..  He brought us back from the dead.  We were number 1 for most of last year and we won the BIG outright.  I am not happy with how our season ended, but I would like to see JBJ, Yogi, Troy, and Noah on the court together.  If Crean is gone, JBJ will be at UK, Troy will transfer, and Noah will most certainly leave. I really like these kids!  If we suck with them, than yes it is time for Crean to go.

[mdn82 25,510]

Lol, like I said a couple of weeks ago.  The boosters control this situation.  Not Glass.  Too much money goes into that school to mess with.  Glass may talk them off of the ledge this time.  It would be the only time.  IMO

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Back to my point. What coach would take the job under those circumstances? IF coach is let go within the next few years IU basically starts over with an unproven or only slightly proven coach. Where is that getting us?

Coach is getting compensated nicely at the same time the university is also capitalizing on donors who are dis hinging out the dough.

Stability, stability, stability. If IU makes it to the tourney the next few years with a decent run that will be 4 of 5 years making the tourney with a few SS and possibly more. That would keep him on at IU for a little while longer and elevate the program to the next level.




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Which coach? I doubt its quite the terrible proposition you think it is. Whom they hire would determine whether they start over with a unproven or slightly proven coach. 

 

The stability issue is a big one, but the problem many people have is not the win-loss record this year, but persistent deficiencies in his coaching and philosophy. So most fans probably want stability in the head coaching position, but not necessarily at the expense of solid coaching.

 

And that's the crossroads I am seeing a lot of IU fans at, they just don't believe in CTC. They like what he done while he was there, they like his integrity, they like a lot of things about him, they just don't believe him the head coach of the future, and as such are not interested in just keeping CTC for the sake of stability.

[Hovadipo 56,256]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="47629" timestamp="1394834210"]Just heard a rumor (at least 3rd hand from the supposed source (thats now fourth hand for you all)) that the boosters are rallying to get rid of CTC, and their chosen replacement is Tony Bennett. And no, I'm not just screwing around, heard that one at the local BBQ joint a few minutes ago.[/quote]

Lol holy cow today is wild. I'd love Bennett.


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[KingPG21 6,584]

I know this may not be the popular answer, but I would like to see Crean get one more year.  I think he deserves that..  He brought us back from the dead.  We were number 1 for most of last year and we won the BIG outright.  I am not happy with how are season ended, but I would like to see JBJ, Yogi, Troy, and Noah on the court together.  If Crean is gone JBJ will be at UK, Troy will transfer, and Noah will most certainly leave. I really like these kids!  If we suck with them, than yes it is time for Crean to go.

I've been saying I would give him one more year as coach before I seriously start considering it, so I agree with that part. Though given I'm still in college I don't exactly have a lot of influence on those types of decisions.

 

And with JBJ that would require the university to let him out of his LOI, which they don't have to do. 

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I've been saying I would give him one more year as coach before I seriously start considering it, so I agree with that part. Though given I'm still in college I don't exactly have a lot of influence on those types of decisions.

 

And with JBJ that would require the university to let him out of his LOI, which they don't have to do. 

You know this is just the beginning.  With March Madness coming up, we will hear about these rumors the whole tournament. I don't think it does us any good! 

[Banksyrules 4,802]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="47635" timestamp="1394834745"]Which coach? I doubt its quite the terrible proposition you think it is. Whom they hire would determine whether they start over with a unproven or slightly proven coach. The stability issue is a big one, but the problem many people have is not the win-loss record this year, but persistent deficiencies in his coaching and philosophy. So most fans probably want stability in the head coaching position, but not necessarily at the expense of solid coaching. And that's the crossroads I am seeing a lot of IU fans at, they just don't believe in CTC. They like what he done while he was there, they like his integrity, they like a lot of things about him, they just don't believe him the head coach of the future, and as such are not interested in just keeping CTC for the sake of stability.[/quote] Sadly this is how I feel. He is a great guy and I really want him to succeed. I don't even have problems if he has a off year coaching wise. I just think, and I maybe wrong, that he's not willing to change or adjust at all. I feel all of us should from time to time eat a piece of humble pie and better ourselves. It's on Crean to do that next year. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

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Jeff Rabjohns ‏@JeffRabjohns  1m

Mike Woodson article generates national buzz; Indiana AD tells http://Peegs.com  it contains "zero truth."

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Making the tourney 4 out of 5 years with 3 or 4 SS and maybe a deeper run is barely meeting expectations? I've been around long enough to know what good IU basketball is about and what it looks like. I've also seen this program sellout under pressure and totally crumble. I stopped watching IU basketball when that scumbag was hired. We are now living the mistakes WE made in the past. The biggest mistake we can make right now is to fire another coach and start over.

What coach is coming to IU in the next month or a year from now with these expectations? The only way to do this is to ride out at least another two years and see what happens. I don't see a program changing coach jumping at the position anytime soon.


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