Mike Woodson

[JSHoosier 20,321]

Didn't we offer Bennett the job before Crean and he passed on it?

He was the first choice.  I've heard that we had a contract drawn up for him, then he tried to get more money but I don't know how true that is.

[BlueDevil 8,700]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="47846" timestamp="1394907072"]He was the first choice. I've heard that we had a contract drawn up for him, then he tried to get more money but I don't know how true that is.[/quote]

Shoulda just paid the man

[JSHoosier 20,321]

Shoulda just paid the man

I wouldn't have, honestly.  His track record is actually worse than Crean's, which is pathetic considering Crean's is wildly mediocre.  The best he did at Washington State was a Sweet 16 and in 5 years at Virginia he's missed the tourney 3 times.

 

Some will complain about his style, but I don't really get that.  I don't care about the style, if the coach wins why does matter if it's fast or slow pace?

[BlueDevil 8,700]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="47849" timestamp="1394908074"]I wouldn't have, honestly. His track record is actually worse than Crean's, which is pathetic considering Crean's is wildly mediocre. The best he did at Washington State was a Sweet 16 and in 5 years at Virginia he's missed the tourney 3 times.

Some will complain about his style, but I don't really get that. I don't care about the style, if the coach wins why does matter if it's fast or slow pace?[/quote]

Yeah but id argue he's done a great job at UVA considering they don't have near the history as IU and they were pretty bad before he got there.

[Bowhunter 2,694]

He was the first choice.  I've heard that we had a contract drawn up for him, then he tried to get more money but I don't know how true that is.

The way I understood it was that we offered and he passed on us.  Have not heard that one.

[mdn82 25,510]

We are still talking about IU basketball right? Would there ever be a time under any circumstances that a new coach (proven or unproven) comes to IU and people don't expect immediate results.... I guess one could argue Crean didn't have that pressure but if we ever go back that low.... And even with that being said he may not have had immediate pressure to get a title but he had immedite pressure to get us back on the right track.

 

I agree, too many variables right now but to think any new coach for IU would get a pass for a few years is not the IU way.

 

No, but if another coach was brought in, the expectations after that buyout would be even more unfair.  I don't think any coach gets a free pass.  I am 31.  I am not naive to the history of this team.  I am saying, a new coach comes and makes the tournament.  He bows out in the first round, and people will point to that buyout.  They will point to that and want the next coach.  To me it is funny, because you can't just hit the reset button every year.  Lets also be real.  If Crean leaves, then it is more than likely we are starting from close to scratch again.  Troy (East Coast with Nike ties), Stan (Good friend of Troy and East Coast ties), Noah (NBA), JB2 (Would not come here if Crean is gone)…  Beyond that you have normal transfers.  With a new coach, you will see people expecting something next year without talent.  

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

Troy and Stan wouldn't sit out an entire year if CTC was fired. They would stay.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="LazOffTheBench" post="47834" timestamp="1394901631"]Does anyone know if Mark Cuban and Mike Woodson are friends? They are the same age and attended IU at the same time.

I'm asking because I wonder why Woodson's name came up in the national media rather than another possible replacement for Crean? There are so many other potential coaching hires for the IU job - if it becomes available - as this thread clearly shows. Does a big-time booster have a connection to Woodson that would make him ( Woodson ) the top candidate?

FWIW, I am on the fence about Crean getting the boot now. I think he should probably coach another season at IU if only to give the "powers-that-be" time to make the best possible choice to replace him. Stevens would be my first choice but I doubt he will be available for several more years.[/quote]

I'd put money on the fact that Woodson's agent is somehow behind all of this story. He knows he's done in New York so let's get our clients name out there in the national media


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[Whoozhers 3,707]

Scott Skiles anyone?

[8bucks 6,477]

[quote name="mdn82" post="47897" timestamp="1394921963"]No, but if another coach was brought in, the expectations after that buyout would be even more unfair. I don't think any coach gets a free pass. I am 31. I am not naive to the history of this team. I am saying, a new coach comes and makes the tournament. He bows out in the first round, and people will point to that buyout. They will point to that and want the next coach. To me it is funny, because you can't just hit the reset button every year. Lets also be real. If Crean leaves, then it is more than likely we are starting from close to scratch again. Troy (East Coast with Nike ties), Stan (Good friend of Troy and East Coast ties), Noah (NBA), JB2 (Would not come here if Crean is gone)… Beyond that you have normal transfers. With a new coach, you will see people expecting something next year without talent. [/quote]

This is always a weak excuse for not changing coaches. I know it was more of an add on for you and not your primary one. When you make a coaching change you certainly consider this and generally the new coach recruits the holdovers and freshman to be. You do not always get them all but every year this same situation exists so it cannot be a factor in making the change.


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[JSHoosier 20,321]

No, but if another coach was brought in, the expectations after that buyout would be even more unfair.  I don't think any coach gets a free pass.  I am 31.  I am not naive to the history of this team.  I am saying, a new coach comes and makes the tournament.  He bows out in the first round, and people will point to that buyout.  They will point to that and want the next coach.  To me it is funny, because you can't just hit the reset button every year.  Lets also be real.  If Crean leaves, then it is more than likely we are starting from close to scratch again.  Troy (East Coast with Nike ties), Stan (Good friend of Troy and East Coast ties), Noah (NBA), JB2 (Would not come here if Crean is gone)…  Beyond that you have normal transfers.  With a new coach, you will see people expecting something next year without talent.  

Blackmon and Johnson have signed.  They'd have to ask out of the LOI, but the university wouldn't have to release them

[Hovadipo 56,546]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="47922" timestamp="1394926596"]Blackmon and Johnson have signed. They'd have to ask out of the LOI, but the university wouldn't have to release them[/quote]

Can the NCAA override that?


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[mdn82 25,510]

Blackmon and Johnson have signed.  They'd have to ask out of the LOI, but the university wouldn't have to release them

 

Now, it is typically in LOI they can be released due to coaching change.  That is pretty commonplace now.  

[mdn82 25,510]

This is always a weak excuse for not changing coaches. I know it was more of an add on for you and not your primary one. When you make a coaching change you certainly consider this and generally the new coach recruits the holdovers and freshman to be. You do not always get them all but every year this same situation exists so it cannot be a factor in making the change.


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I agree it should never be a main consideration.  It was an add in for me.  My main reasoning for retaining him this year is due to who is available, and the cost to make that change.  I just don't think you pay over $10 million to get a guy out of here if a top 5 coach is available.  Especially, when there is an extreme likelihood there isn't anyone better than Crean.  They may coach better than him, but they can't recruit like him (Woodson).  They may recruit like him, but can't coach like him (Pastner).  Woodson would be solid in Indiana, but the days of locking down the state are over.  You have to be able to recruit outside of the state.  I think if we make a move this year, we will again in 3 years.  

[LIHoosier 26,471]

UCLA over Arizona for the Pac-12 title.

Bring Steve Alford back now!!!

:103:

[8bucks 6,477]

I know Blackman has his eyes set on the NBA. Woody has been an NBA coach a long time. Woody did a very good job in Atlanta, granted New York is a mess.

He still maintains a strong presence in Indy. I am not sure if Bill Smith, his coach at Broad Ripple is still alive but often when Mike was back in town coaching Bill as well as a lot of family and friends came to games. Not just random will call tickets but the returns often included some time spent together. Why does this matter, Bill Smith was highly respected in the Indy area HS circles. Mike would be an attractive guy to many HS coaches in the area.

Is he the guy we want, I have no idea but he is very intriguing.


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[JSHoosier 20,321]

I agree it should never be a main consideration.  It was an add in for me.  My main reasoning for retaining him this year is due to who is available, and the cost to make that change.  I just don't think you pay over $10 million to get a guy out of here if a top 5 coach is available.  Especially, when there is an extreme likelihood there isn't anyone better than Crean.  They may coach better than him, but they can't recruit like him (Woodson).  They may recruit like him, but can't coach like him (Pastner).  Woodson would be solid in Indiana, but the days of locking down the state are over.  You have to be able to recruit outside of the state.  I think if we make a move this year, we will again in 3 years.  

We don't know how Woodson would be able to recruit.  Being an NBA player and coach with a championship ring (as an assistant) couldn't hurt though.

[Hovadipo 56,546]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="47964" timestamp="1394928466"]We don't know how Woodson would be able to recruit. Being an NBA player and coach with a championship ring (as an assistant) couldn't hurt though.[/quote]

Would also depend on his staff. They do most of the grunt work.


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[8bucks 6,477]

[quote name="mdn82" post="47943" timestamp="1394927543"]I agree it should never be a main consideration. It was an add in for me. My main reasoning for retaining him this year is due to who is available, and the cost to make that change. I just don't think you pay over $10 million to get a guy out of here if a top 5 coach is available. Especially, when there is an extreme likelihood there isn't anyone better than Crean. They may coach better than him, but they can't recruit like him (Woodson). They may recruit like him, but can't coach like him (Pastner). Woodson would be solid in Indiana, but the days of locking down the state are over. You have to be able to recruit outside of the state. I think if we make a move this year, we will again in 3 years. [/quote]

I do not disagree about maybe doing this again in 3 years. I think Woody would recruit Indiana well but he would probably need help to get some of the out of state guys as you mention. That would likely not be missed on those involved if we noticed it.

Ever wonder if the reason this may happen this year is because it might be easier now? I would be disappointed being just a marginal NCAA team next year but if we are that I think he is safe another 3 years or so. I suspect there is some boosters that recognize an opportunity now and would rather pay more than wait. I also suspect that this donor base wants an IU guy. Most on here would want the best guy available but if money moves now then they likely call the shots.

We can debate it here, and probably should, but some of these boosters have been more involved than us and I am comfortable to some extent with that.


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[mdn82 25,510]

We don't know how Woodson would be able to recruit.  Being an NBA player and coach with a championship ring (as an assistant) couldn't hurt though.

IF he has the motivation to travel as much as he will have to.  Recruiting is not easy.  Just because a coach has coached in the NBA (I would rather have Keith Smart) doesn't make him a good recruiter.