Assistant coaches

[AH1971]

11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They can thank Covid for that streak.  Should of ended in 2020 when they were not going to make it that year 

Very true. The "20 win season/make the tournament every year as a bare minimum" crowd is simply out of touch with reality.

[EasyEJay]

15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Couple things.

1. Every team has money these days. IU has a lot of money but I'm not convinced they have top tier money, at least in terms of player compensation.

2. Money is the ONLY thing IU has these days. There's no culture, there's no momentum, there's no nothing. Guys come to IU to collect a check. That's a harsh but true reality. We're spending, and overspending on that, simply to field a team that goes through the motions year after year. We give up on coaches 1-2 years into their tenure and by year 4 we're starting over. It's been a two decade plus cycle. It's a vicious one.

3. Winning 20 games and making the tournament every year should be the goal of every non blueblood program. The really good programs consistently win 20+ games and make the tournament at a high clip. Unfortunately, IU isn't a really good program right now....we aren't even a good program. 

And I don't disagree with the majority of what your saying I know this isn't my father IU basketball program.

Truthfully you may personally know more about money tiers than I do though again I'm personally not buying I would put us in top 25-30 of resources. Heck they surveyed Big 10 coaches this year and IU was still voted as a Top 5 job in the Big 10 they wouldn't have done that if they didn't have idea of the money IU is putting in compared to the rest of the nation. 

Again I agree were not a great or good program right now. Its DDV job to make it that and establish his culture and momentum, and maybe he can I just don't think it should take 4 years to make the NCAA tourney too many cases of programs with much less and not in much better position in terms of culture say otherwise so 3 more years of something similar to this year I think would be evidence enough that DDV isn't good enough coach for the Big Ten. Complacency can kill a program as much as turnover can.

I will say this if DDV even marginally improves then we make the tourney cool you won't hear me complain heck ill be happier even if he gets bounced in the First Four next year. IU was capable of making the tourney as an expectation this time last year and is capable of that heading into next year. 

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

And I don't disagree with the majority of what your saying I know this isn't my father IU basketball program.

Truthfully you may personally know more about money tiers than I do though again I'm personally not buying I would put us in top 25-30 of resources. Heck they surveyed Big 10 coaches this year and IU was still voted as a Top 5 job in the Big 10 they wouldn't have done that if they didn't have idea of the money IU is putting in compared to the rest of the nation. 

Again I agree were not a great or good program right now. Its DDV job to make it that and establish his culture and momentum, and maybe he can I just don't think it should take 4 years to make the NCAA tourney too many cases of programs with much less and not in much better position in terms of culture say otherwise so 3 more years of something similar to this year I think would be evidence enough that DDV isn't good enough coach for the Big Ten. Complacency can kill a program as much as turnover can.

I will say this if DDV even marginally improves then we make the tourney cool you won't hear me complain heck ill be happier even if he gets bounced in the First Four next year. IU was capable of making the tourney as an expectation this time last year and is capable of that heading into next year. 

I agree making the tournament year 1 in this climate isn't a monumental task. But I'm much more focused on the long term, than the short term, especially with Indiana. And I haven't seen anyone suggest that DeVries should get 4 years to make the tournament. But that's also a lot different than saying making the tournament in year 1 should be the absolute bare minimum or else you're on the hot seat going forward, which seems to be the trajectory for first year coaches at Indiana. It's not like that anywhere else in the country sans a few programs. Indiana, currently, isn't one of those programs. Haven't been in a long time. 

[Jeff Flabjohns]

My crystal ball for what feel like entirely likely hypotheticals:

Devries needs a tourney birth by year 3 or he’ll be fired. 

If after four years he’s had just one 7-10 seed invite and no second weekend he’d likely be done…but that could be quite the tough call for Dolson

Oh, and to stay on topic…hopefully Ryan Carr is a tide that raises all boats—making our current assistant coaches more successful in their roles

[Hoosierinbham]

DeVries has mentioned he had to scramble to fill the roster. I’ll be interested to see if he makes staff changes  because of a similar situation with his staff. 

Devries went hard after Murphy and Moikobu. I wonder if he was trying to create almost offensive and defensive coordinator positions within his staff? To me he had a vision for program building by leading with staff first.

Unfortunately it didn’t work out, and DeVries may have spent too much valuable portal time waiting on answers/negotiations. Who knows just how close we were to landing either, and if we were capped by buyout money.  Clark seems solid, but we’ll see how he feels about the others going forward.

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said:

DeVries has mentioned he had to scramble to fill the roster. I’ll be interested to see if he makes staff changes  because of a similar situation with his staff. 

Devries went hard after Murphy and Moikobu. I wonder if he was trying to create almost offensive and defensive coordinator positions within his staff? To me he had a vision for program building by leading with staff first.

Unfortunately it didn’t work out, and DeVries may have spent too much valuable portal time waiting on answers/negotiations. Who knows just how close we were to landing either, and if we were capped by buyout money.  Clark seems solid, but we’ll see how he feels about the others going forward.

I think that Bargen and Norton are the offensive and defensive coordinators. 

[Hoosierinbham]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

I think that Bargen and Norton are the offensive and defensive coordinators. 

Gotcha. Thanks.  Appreciate the discussion of the assistants. I wondered who was functioning in those roles. Hard to tell how good those guys are based on the personnel this season.  
I still say the short bench caused our guys to wear down late in the season and lose some leads in the second half. Not what people want to hear, but it’s a strong possibility. Same with Sisley. Think the kid just hit the freshman wall physically and possibly mentally.

[EasyEJay]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Very true. The "20 win season/make the tournament every year as a bare minimum" crowd is simply out of touch with reality.

17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I agree making the tournament year 1 in this climate isn't a monumental task. But I'm much more focused on the long term, than the short term, especially with Indiana. And I haven't seen anyone suggest that DeVries should get 4 years to make the tournament. But that's also a lot different than saying making the tournament in year 1 should be the absolute bare minimum or else you're on the hot seat going forward, which seems to be the trajectory for first year coaches at Indiana. It's not like that anywhere else in the country sans a few programs. Indiana, currently, isn't one of those programs. Haven't been in a long time. 

 I'm and most are not saying he's on the hot seat after year one or moving forward. Its just kind of an odd situation his is interesting because of his one year at WVU. Truthfully I was a little harsh on judging it earlier this week, but its odd in sense that he isn't technically a mid major coach taking his first swing at the Power 4 level,  his 1 year at WVU certainly was NOT bad enough to label him an failure (or this year at IU for that matter) but on this day last year it didn't make me feel as oh heck yeah this guy is gonna be a solid power 4 coach capable of building a solid consistent program. 

But again if he even marginally improves he makes the tourney and cool showing improvement and I'll be happy but right now my fear is it gets worse I'm NOT saying I think that's what is going to happen. Truthfully his next month / month and half will be telling. and at the end of it I might agree with you on everything. 

[str8baller]

46 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said:

I still say the short bench caused our guys to wear down late in the season and lose some leads in the second half.

Nah…IU lost those same leads early in the year too. 
 

Rod Clark did his best at excuse making but I think media relations is best handled by the HC and not assistants. Woody was notorious for that. 

[Hoosierinbham]

49 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Nah…IU lost those same leads early in the year too. 
 

Rod Clark did his best at excuse making but I think media relations is best handled by the HC and not assistants. Woody was notorious for that. 

Alexis played the majority of minutes at the 5 due to Bailey’s ineffectiveness, and Enright did the same at the point due to injury and poor play/attitude with Conerway.  Tucker played a ton once Sisley’s minutes went down. No way it didn’t have an effect on them down the stretch. Effective depth would’ve been huge. Same reason thin football teams can hang for 3 quarters, then get worn down in the 4th.

[Pagoda]

Drew got invited to an Elite power lunch.  Wow -- huge news!  ;-)

I had to look this up.  It's a networking event.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Drew got invited to an Elite power lunch.  Wow -- huge news!  ;-)

I had to look this up.  It's a networking event.

Drew looks pissed about it.

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Drew got invited to an Elite power lunch.  Wow -- huge news!  ;-)

I had to look this up.  It's a networking event.

Maybe Fernando will be there:

 

[OliviaPope40]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Maybe Fernando will be there:

 

[Hovadipo]

48 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Drew got invited to an Elite power lunch.

Back in my day we just called that a Pizza Hut buffet. 

[JF87]

45 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Back in my day we just called that a Pizza Hut buffet. 

I miss those.  Damn Covid. 

[Brass Cannon]

23 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Such as?

Making decisions quickly and decisively and not being a victim of escalation of commitment.  45 days to assemble a staff is ridiculous.  Dolson should have been all over DeVries.  
 

I manage an onsite vendor at my job and if they aren’t filling open positions I’m asking them what’s the hold up.  
 

And obviously the retread of holding onto coaches clearly after they have hit lame duck status.  
 

Look at Cig he moves fast and doesn’t waste time. We won the rose bowl and signed the bulk of our class nucleus all in the same week.  While preparing to obliterate Oregon at the same time.  
 

Our basketball program can’t seem to do anything quickly.  Which might work if we were doing things well.  But instead we get a mediocre effort 3 weeks late. 

[AH1971]

7 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Making decisions quickly and decisively and not being a victim of escalation of commitment.  45 days to assemble a staff is ridiculous.  Dolson should have been all over DeVries.  
 

I manage an onsite vendor at my job and if they aren’t filling open positions I’m asking them what’s the hold up.  
 

And obviously the retread of holding onto coaches clearly after they have hit lame duck status.  
 

Look at Cig he moves fast and doesn’t waste time. We won the rose bowl and signed the bulk of our class nucleus all in the same week.  While preparing to obliterate Oregon at the same time.  
 

Our basketball program can’t seem to do anything quickly.  Which might work if we were doing things well.  But instead we get a mediocre effort 3 weeks late. 

The same administration that hired Cignetti hired DeVries…what am I missing?

[ronzo4IU]

7 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Making decisions quickly and decisively and not being a victim of escalation of commitment.  45 days to assemble a staff is ridiculous.  Dolson should have been all over DeVries.  
 

I manage an onsite vendor at my job and if they aren’t filling open positions I’m asking them what’s the hold up.  
 

And obviously the retread of holding onto coaches clearly after they have hit lame duck status.  
 

Look at Cig he moves fast and doesn’t waste time. We won the rose bowl and signed the bulk of our class nucleus all in the same week.  While preparing to obliterate Oregon at the same time.  
 

Our basketball program can’t seem to do anything quickly.  Which might work if we were doing things well.  But instead we get a mediocre effort 3 weeks late. 

Jeez, give the guy a break, he couldn't get into Mikes office and was working off a card table in the hallway.

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, ronzo4IU said:

Jeez, give the guy a break, he couldn't get into Mikes office and was working off a card table in the hallway.

^^This^^

Doesn't mean he will succeed (or fail) at IU, but every little thing is relevant and this was part of the initial hand Devries was dealt.