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Darian DeVries - New IUBB Head Coach

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Dave from Dayton    3,943

Dave from Dayton
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5 minutes ago, Motley's said:

For the DeVries is Archie crowd:

Indiana asked, for example, whether a head coach successful in a certain job had inherited any of that success, or built it from scratch.

There was a method behind that: The university was burned when it hired Archie Miller in 2017, then perceived to be a promising young coach, only for Miller to flop in Bloomington after four years without an NCAA Tournament appearance.

Decker’s number crunching picked up on the fact that Miller had more or less sustained success at Dayton, rather than built it — Brian Gregory won 97 games in his final four seasons coaching the Flyers, before handing off to Miller, who won 90 in his first four years there.

DeVries compared favorably in that analysis. Drake had won just 40 games in the four years before he arrived, compared to 95 in his first four years. 

His work at West Virginia covered a smaller sample size but showed similar results.  In his first season in Morgantown, DeVries’ team won 10 more games than in the previous season — it was the largest single-season turnaround in program history — six more in Big 12 play, and the Mountaineers showed demonstrable improvement in defensive metrics in particular. 

The third paragraph misrepresents what happened the last two years at Dayton and why Brian Gregory left.  Sure, he won a lot.  But not in conference.  The last two years of Gregory's coaching at Dayton resulted in dropping completely out of the picture of competing at high levels in the ACC.  He went from 2nd to 7th and 8th in the conference and only got one NCAAT bid in his last 7 years there.  Recruiting had dried up.  For the University of Dayton...they saw no reason to extend the contract and Gregory knew he was on a slippery slope.  Brian Gregory jumped ship as UD contemplated making him walk the plank.  

Miller came in and the cupboard was bare.

According to Wiki: Miller became the head coach of the Dayton Flyers men's basketball team in 2011 and turned around a program that had back-to-back disappointing seasons. His first season with Dayton saw Miller take the school to 20 wins. In his third year, 2014, he had the Flyers in the Elite Eight with 26 wins; to get there, Dayton upset three higher seeded teams. After the Elite Eight run in 2014, Miller faced replacing three starters and four seniors from that team. Despite having a depleted roster featuring just six players who were recruited to Dayton and no active player taller than 6-foot-6, Miller led his Flyers to a 27–9 overall record and to the third round of the 2015 NCAA tournament.

Miller's short stint at Dayton was the 2nd best coaching job at that university...second only to Don Donoher.  

I loved Miller's work at Dayton.  It did not translate to the big time at IU.  In my humble opinion...he was not a good fit.  But IU administration did not seem to support him in many ways relative to building his team.

Archie Miller had to go.

 

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Brass Cannon    25,242

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21 minutes ago, Motley's said:

For the DeVries is Archie crowd:

Indiana asked, for example, whether a head coach successful in a certain job had inherited any of that success, or built it from scratch.

There was a method behind that: The university was burned when it hired Archie Miller in 2017, then perceived to be a promising young coach, only for Miller to flop in Bloomington after four years without an NCAA Tournament appearance.

Decker’s number crunching picked up on the fact that Miller had more or less sustained success at Dayton, rather than built it — Brian Gregory won 97 games in his final four seasons coaching the Flyers, before handing off to Miller, who won 90 in his first four years there.

DeVries compared favorably in that analysis. Drake had won just 40 games in the four years before he arrived, compared to 95 in his first four years. 

His work at West Virginia covered a smaller sample size but showed similar results.  In his first season in Morgantown, DeVries’ team won 10 more games than in the previous season — it was the largest single-season turnaround in program history — six more in Big 12 play, and the Mountaineers showed demonstrable improvement in defensive metrics in particular. 

Inject this in my veins 

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rayl456    818

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

This is just a guess. But 3 high school kids Sisley and 2 from WV. Then 10 portal guys and none from the current roster. 

Yeah…sorry, I know that some think Goode would be a likely choice, but no.  This is a new start…new mindset…new regime.  No leftovers, thanks.  JMHO.  :)

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Motley's    593

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4 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I get what he’s saying here but had to look it up. Archie had a higher winning percentage than both Gregory or Grant though not by a lot.

I think the most notable thing is the records the season before they got the job. Gregory was 22-14 in 2010-11. Archie was 20-13 in 2011-12. Medved was 17-17 at Drake in 2017-18, DeVries was 24-10 in 2018-19. WV was 9-23 in 2023-24, DeVries was 19-13 in 24-25, despite losing his two top scorers to injury. 

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Alford Bailey    13,187

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2 minutes ago, Motley's said:

I think the most notable thing is the records the season before they got the job. Gregory was 22-14 in 2010-11. Archie was 20-13 in 2011-12. Medved was 17-17 at Drake in 2017-18, DeVries was 24-10 in 2018-19. WV was 9-23 in 2023-24, DeVries was 19-13 in 24-25, despite losing his two top scorers to injury. 

Definitely Devries has shown the ability to turn things quickly 

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Motley's    593

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3 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

The third paragraph misrepresents what happened the last two years at Dayton and why Brian Gregory left.  Sure, he won a lot.  But not in conference.  The last two years of Gregory's coaching at Dayton resulted in dropping completely out of the picture of competing at high levels in the ACC.  He went from 2nd to 7th and 8th in the conference and only got one NCAAT bid in his last 7 years there.  Recruiting had dried up.  For the University of Dayton...they saw no reason to extend the contract and Gregory knew he was on a slippery slope.  Brian Gregory jumped ship as UD contemplated making him walk the plank.  

Miller came in and the cupboard was bare.

According to Wiki: Miller became the head coach of the Dayton Flyers men's basketball team in 2011 and turned around a program that had back-to-back disappointing seasons. His first season with Dayton saw Miller take the school to 20 wins. In his third year, 2014, he had the Flyers in the Elite Eight with 26 wins; to get there, Dayton upset three higher seeded teams. After the Elite Eight run in 2014, Miller faced replacing three starters and four seniors from that team. Despite having a depleted roster featuring just six players who were recruited to Dayton and no active player taller than 6-foot-6, Miller led his Flyers to a 27–9 overall record and to the third round of the 2015 NCAA tournament.

Miller's short stint at Dayton was the 2nd best coaching job at that university...second only to Don Donoher.  

I loved Miller's work at Dayton.  It did not translate to the big time at IU.  In my humble opinion...he was not a good fit.  But IU administration did not seem to support him in many ways relative to building his team.

Archie Miller had to go.

 

I think there's something to that. I was very high on his hiring, but something just seemed off from the beginning. I think he was handcuffed with not turning over the roster. I've always wondered what would have happened if he could have brought McKinley Wright. 

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Certified Sunshine Pumper    11,063

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5 minutes ago, Motley's said:

I think the most notable thing is the records the season before they got the job. Gregory was 22-14 in 2010-11. Archie was 20-13 in 2011-12. Medved was 17-17 at Drake in 2017-18, DeVries was 24-10 in 2018-19. WV was 9-23 in 2023-24, DeVries was 19-13 in 24-25, despite losing his two top scorers to injury. 

2? 

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IndyFife    135

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I have seen various references to Adam Howard and "what happened to him".  I mean, I know who he is and what happened to him - but never paid attention to the underlying root causes.  Just assumed he got Dane Fife'd and Thad Matta'd by Big Smoke.  Realize it is probably just rumors and innuendo but anybody care to fill me on whatever the backstory might be there?

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Certified Sunshine Pumper    11,063

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think he has 3 total HS kids. Sisley from IU and the 2 kids from WV who have recommitted to make the 3.

I gotcha now. 

Someone mentioned Odih was pretty "linked" to Chester Frazier... do we know much about that situation? I'd like to find a HS pg we liked, but that's pretty tough to do this late in the process. 

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Ryno6284    4,236

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11 minutes ago, Motley's said:

I think there's something to that. I was very high on his hiring, but something just seemed off from the beginning. I think he was handcuffed with not turning over the roster. I've always wondered what would have happened if he could have brought McKinley Wright. 

His personality didn’t fit at IU! That was the first problem.

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