Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[lillurk]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Yep.  It would require Woodson to change.  Woodson likes senior vets.  He’s said it too many times to count.  I doubt Gallo comes off the bench.  

 

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Change….like bringing in guards through the portal?  He did that.

 

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Yeah I'm confused by the point trying to be made. 

The starting lineup has never been an issue. I'd be pretty surpised if Carlyle doesn't start, but either way, we'll start our best 5. 

Two things to add here:

1. Pretty sure I recall someone connected saying in Feb/March that Gallo had gone to the staff and said something like “I’m staying, I’ll be the 6th man if that’s what’s best, just go get Dudes.” Of course I can’t find that now, and can’t independently verify it, but that seems plausible (as does an inversion of that condo — coach tells senior “you’ll play plenty but as a gap filler”)

2. Gallo’s soph year — CMW’s first — is good proof of concept here, and was the design in ‘22-23 too until X’s injury forced their hand. 

[Stuhoo]

58 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I while in principle I think Woody likes vets over younger players. But he also seems to like NBA talent over college vets. Carlyle is an NBA talent and Galloway is not. It’s why I think Galloway comes off the bench and it’s a role he is better suited for.  

But Woody loves Galloway and has played him a ton all three years, including over more talented guys.

[OKHOOSIER]

18 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

 

Two things to add here:

1. Pretty sure I recall someone connected saying in Feb/March that Gallo had gone to the staff and said something like “I’m staying, I’ll be the 6th man if that’s what’s best, just go get Dudes.” Of course I can’t find that now, and can’t independently verify it, but that seems plausible (as does an inversion of that condo — coach tells senior “you’ll play plenty but as a gap filler”)

2. Gallo’s soph year — CMW’s first — is good proof of concept here, and was the design in ‘22-23 too until X’s injury forced their hand. 

Exactly my thoughts, Gallo is an excellent complimentary piece to a good/great team. He is not a guy we should be needing to rely on for nearly 34 minutes a game due to zero other good options at the 2/3 or as a primary ball handler. That problem seems to have been solved. I would venture a bet his 3pt and FT shooting improves back closer to 30 and 60+ respectively with better looks and simply getting more rest while having less pressure to carry the load when MR/MM were on the bench. Woody has already hit the homerun we had to have, now if we can find a serviceable backup big and good shooter to fill out the bench it will be a grand slam in my eyes. 

[HoosierFan1994]

No matter what, Trey is getting 20-25 minutes a game. I believe he is the perfect 6th man. I can see him being Sixth Man of the Year like Sheehey and Bielfeldt. 

Speaking of Bielfeldt...I wish we could have a clone of him and Zeisloft for this team. They would fit perfectly with what is left. 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, Juwan Moye said:

I’d change that to “we’ll start our most talented 5” as I think our “best 5” wouldn’t include Malik playing next to Ballo.

Id expect our “best 5” to be Rice, Carlyle, Galloway, Mgbako, Ballo. That’s at least the most balanced lineup this amateurs eyes can see. Could change if Malik becomes a better shooter/perimeter defender or if Tucker comes on strong.

Maliks a stud. He wouldn't come off the bench for me. 

[CSP]

18 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

But Woody loves Galloway and has played him a ton all three years, including over more talented guys.

Is the bold sarcasm?

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Change….like bringing in guards through the portal?  He did that.

He brought guards through the portal in year one.  Tried in year two. 

[CSP]

41 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

 

Two things to add here:

1. Pretty sure I recall someone connected saying in Feb/March that Gallo had gone to the staff and said something like “I’m staying, I’ll be the 6th man if that’s what’s best, just go get Dudes.” Of course I can’t find that now, and can’t independently verify it, but that seems plausible (as does an inversion of that condo — coach tells senior “you’ll play plenty but as a gap filler”)

2. Gallo’s soph year — CMW’s first — is good proof of concept here, and was the design in ‘22-23 too until X’s injury forced their hand. 

No no. You can't believe "positive" rumors. Only the negative ones ;) 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Is the bold sarcasm?

Really it’s over higher rated players. Gallo is plenty talented.

[RaceToTheTop]

14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

But Woody loves Galloway and has played him a ton all three years, including over more talented guys.

Over more talented guys?

The only possible guy you could be talking about is Tamar Bates and both years he was here Galloway wasn't playing over him because 'Woody loved him' -- he played over him because he outplayed Bates.  And if you check the numbers out of the gate, Bates began his freshman year getting more minutes than Galloway.  Galloway started playing over Bates because Bates wasn't making shots.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Really it’s over higher rated players. Gallo is plenty talented.

Bates would really be the only guy you could be referring to.  Galloway was around 150, Gunn was 120.  But a 150 player two years older than a 120 freshman almost always plays over the freshman.  And Galloway's minutes didn't come from nowhere.....he was getting 20 minutes/game as a freshman prior to Woodson being at IU.

[Golfman25]

45 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

 

Two things to add here:

1. Pretty sure I recall someone connected saying in Feb/March that Gallo had gone to the staff and said something like “I’m staying, I’ll be the 6th man if that’s what’s best, just go get Dudes.” Of course I can’t find that now, and can’t independently verify it, but that seems plausible (as does an inversion of that condo — coach tells senior “you’ll play plenty but as a gap filler”)

 

Things that didn’t happen for 1000 Alex.

I know it was reported, but know way any player says don’t start me.  They may have had a conversation about his role, but I doubt Gallo was like, yeah sit me on the bench.  

[Feathery]

28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

But Woody loves Galloway and has played him a ton all three years, including over more talented guys.

I think Woody does love him, doesn’t mean woody wants to start him and rely on him as a key (starter or top option scoring)cog. I also believe starting matters. If you start, you are going to be playing more minutes than those on the bench. Total overall minutes matter. You want your best roster to have the most time on the floor together.  Galloway can still get over 20/25 min a game coming off the bench bc he is versatile and can cover multiple positions.

Who did he play over last year that was more talented than he is? To me there isn’t a better guard/wing on last years roster better than Galloway. Thats also an indictment of how poor the overall talent was in the backcourt. 
 

2 years ago, he didn’t play him over guys like Shafino/X who are better than him. The rest of the wings were not better than Galloway. 

3 years ago, Galloway played less than Rob Phinisee, and Tamar Bates due to being out part of the season. But once back he didn’t play ahead of anyone who was more talent than. 
 

Im not trying to knock Galloway. He is a good basketball player. But he isn’t elite. With a strong roster I think you can see him come off the bench and have an even bigger impact. 

[Stuhoo]

It’ll probably be like with Mgbako; start the bigger name guys but give the most minutes and finish with whoever he wants.

[Juwan Moye]

49 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Maliks a stud. He wouldn't come off the bench for me. 

Yep, which is the talent vs fit argument.

[Feathery]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’ll probably be like with Mgbako; start the bigger name guys but give the most minutes and finish with whoever he wants.

He has consistently given most his minutes to starters. Not the guys off the bench. Injuries have opened up more minutes. But Woody and most coaches for that matter play their starters more than bench players. It will be interesting how the summer goes but with a freshmen to sophomore jump, I dont expect Galloway to be as talented as Rice, Carlyle, or Mgbako. 

[Feathery]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Maliks a stud. He wouldn't come off the bench for me. 

He doesn’t fit the modern game. But is talented in what he does. Moving forward I hope IU doesn’t recruit players of this skill set. Much rather see a 6’7”-6’9” guy that can shoot it play the 4. 

[Unexpectedflash]

1 minute ago, Feathery said:

He doesn’t fit the modern game. But is talented I. What he does. Moving forward I hope IU doesn’t recruit players of this skill set. Much rather see a 6’7”-6’9” guy that can shoot it play the 4. 

I agree. He's a hard player to build around. I would much rather have mgbako at the four and use all the money we're paying Reneau to get someone like Rylan griffen, who is one of the best 3 and D players in the country. 

[Unexpectedflash]

Any rumors on who we're looking at to to fill the last 3 roster spots? I think we need a backup center even though we should stagger reneau and ballo so Reneau plays a lot of 5. I would love Humrichous since he is the shooter we need. I'd like one more knock down shooter also. 

[Dhop]

Loving the fact that Carlyle and Rice have multiple years left.  Would be nice to lock them into more than a 1 year stint.

Personally, I am happy and a bit surprised if I’m honest on the incoming 2024-25 incoming class.  (And yes, I agree it would be great to now get a knock down shooter added and a back up 5).  I think we actually punched a bit above our weight considering recent history.

Oh my my…the almighty dollar