Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Hoosierfanyuh 6,956]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Ehh those don’t mean much, it’s because the number of people were bringing in, it’s part of the equation 

(I like who we’ve brought im just saying those rankings are pretty much pointless)

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IMO it’s pretty easy to get excited about this roster, even with valid questions about the 5 spot / defense. If Conerway and Bailey translate well the team can be very good IMO. I guess that’s a gamble in some ways and can be viewed as overpaying for “unheralded” guys (I don’t find that totally accurate). Maybe they seem like a reach if you were expecting us to sign Ian Jackson and Jayden Quaintnance (#1 ranked C on 247 is listed at 6’9 230…). I really value their mid-major productivity and think they’re a pretty good bet. TBD on some of the other guys, but I think we can be confident in a pretty competent rotation of 8 or so guys emerging as the season goes on.

The years of suckage have really conditioned people to expect the worst, I think. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,458]

For such a bad portal class IU is ranked 8th on 247 and 9th on ON3

Andy Katz says 5th in the big ten. Our team is full portal.


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19 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Ehh those don’t mean much, it’s because the number of people were bringing in, it’s part of the equation 

It's part of it, but our average recruit ranking is still fairly high, it's 12th in the top 50, and that factors in several teams that only brought in 2 players.  It's a very good class by recruiting rankings (not that means much, considering a guy like Carlisle was ranked 14th overall last year). 

[Hoosierfan2017 24,910]

No Mike Woodson guys on the roster is enough for me to get excited about the team. 

[IndyHoosier1997 190]

24 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

How do you know? No offense.


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Because multiple reputable sources have said so and every guy we’ve added we’ve been competing against power conference teems for. 
 

the evidence we didn’t pay $10M is waynefleekhoosier said so without having access to any information whatsoever. 

[IUGRAD06 938]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That’s kinda my point. We went cheap. “Overpaid” for unheralded guys versus just spending big, imo. No way we spent 10 million on this roster.


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DeVries - 2 million

Wilkerson - 2 million 

Bailey 1.5 million 

Conerway - 1.25 million 

Dorn - 750,000 to 1 million 

Miles - 600,000

Drake - 400,000

Alexis - 1 million 

Enright - 600,000

Sisley - 400,000

Harris - 500,000

Pretty we spent 10-11 million and not including Goode. 

Kentucky offered Wilkerson that much for their starting SG role.

MSU was going hard after Conerway.  

Every school would take DeVries.

Bailey committed to IU over Texas and Kentucky. 

Alexis a solid backup big. 

Enright is a solid backup guard. 
 

The biggest questions are Dorn, Miles, Drake,  Harris and Sisley and we just hope one fills a starting role and backup role.  Drama much.  

 

[AH1971 3,240]

3 minutes ago, IndyHoosier1997 said:

Because multiple reputable sources have said so and every guy we’ve added we’ve been competing against power conference teems for. 
 

the evidence we didn’t pay $10M is waynefleekhoosier said so without having access to any information whatsoever. 

I think it’s totally possible IU spent at or near $10million for this roster. Also totally possible to say we overpaid for the roster. But none of that matters, results will dictate that sentiment one way or the other.

But I also don’t think it’s out of line to suggest a moneyball approach was taken either. Neither is a right or wrong belief as it pertains to year 1. 

[IUGRAD06 938]

Just now, AH1971 said:

I think it’s totally possible IU spent at or near $10million for this roster. Also totally possible to say we overpaid for the roster. But none of that matters, results will dictate that sentiment one way or the other.

But I also don’t think it’s out of line to suggest a moneyball approach was taken either. Neither is a right or wrong belief as it pertains to year 1. 

Trilly has shared numbers.  We spent over $10 million.  

[AH1971 3,240]

Just now, IUGRAD06 said:

Trilly has shared numbers.  We spent over $10 million.  

Don’t subscribe to Trilly so wouldn’t know. If true, disappointing that’s all we could muster in the front court for that price range. But I get it, first year coach building an entirely new roster doesn’t give you much leverage.  

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3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Don’t subscribe to Trilly so wouldn’t know. If true, disappointing that’s all we could muster in the front court for that price range. But I get it, first year coach building an entirely new roster doesn’t give you much leverage.  

Didn’t want to pay 2.5 million for FF and Baba didn’t get want he wanted either from any school. He may go back to midmajor.  Sometimes what people think don’t fit.  It’s moneyball essentially.  

[AH1971 3,240]

6 minutes ago, IUGRAD06 said:

Didn’t want to pay 2.5 million for FF and Baba didn’t get want he wanted either from any school. He may go back to midmajor.  Sometimes what people think don’t fit.  It’s moneyball essentially.  

What was Miller’s asking price?

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4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

What was Miller’s asking price?

Think it was 1.5 million but most teams don’t think he is a starter.  Problem was some teams overpaid.  For example Ugo for 1.5 million from Virginia and he hasn’t done anything.  Baba isn’t that great when you look at his stats and compare it with others.  If you paid that for Bailey, why would you pay that for someone statistically worse than Bailey and is worse in rebounding and defense than Alexis?  In addition, Alexis wasn’t great at p5 before and people don’t think he has improved that much moving down.  

[Asha’man 1,147]

48 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Andy Katz says 5th in the big ten. Our team is full portal.


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He also has a Michigan #1 and Michigan even thinks their top portal guy will never play there. He will end up going pro over actually playing at Michigan. So they will drop. The rest of his list I can make a case of IU actually being a better roster than each. Likely? No. But IU will be top half of the conference and make the face without a bubble. Which is all I care about for next year. I believe we have a top 25 roster when healthy. 

[AH1971 3,240]

7 minutes ago, IUGRAD06 said:

Think it was 1.5 million but most teams don’t think he is a starter.  Problem was some teams overpaid.  For example Ugo for 1.5 million from Virginia and he hasn’t done anything.  Baba isn’t that great when you look at his stats and compare it with others.  If you paid that for Bailey, I would you pay that for someone statistically worse and is worse than Alexis?

I mean Baba Miller has 30+ starts in a P5 conference, something Bailey nor Alexis can claim. Miller’s numbers at FAU were pretty comparable to Alexis’ numbers at Chattanooga. Paying $1.5 mil for Bailey to be a starting 5 in the B10 who was a massive defensive liability in the A10 just seems like a gross overpay in my opinion. 

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8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I mean Baba Miller has 30+ starts in a P5 conference, something Bailey nor Alexis can claim. Miller’s numbers at FAU were pretty comparable to Alexis’ numbers at Chattanooga. Paying $1.5 mil for Bailey to be a starting 5 in the B10 who was a massive defensive liability in the A10 just seems like a gross overpay in my opinion. 

So Indiana was supposed to pay for a guy who sucked so bad at FSU that he had an average PER of 11 for a big?  Which sucks really bad.  IU wasn’t the only program balking at that price and now he is talking about going back to FAU.  He didn’t even have a higher rebounding percentage than Alexis and had a similar block percentage as Alexis (at Florida) at a mid major.  

[AH1971 3,240]

7 minutes ago, IUGRAD06 said:

So Indiana was supposed to pay for a guy who sucked so bad at FSU that he had an average PER of 11 for a big?  Which sucks really bad.  IU wasn’t the only program balking at that price and now he is talking about going back to FAU.  

With the way the roster is constructed, there’s one glaring weakness: a 5 who can protect the rim and rebound on both ends of the floor. If there was ever a time to overpay for a position of need, this would have been the time.

Nothing against Reed Bailey, I like what he brings to the table offensively, but he just seems like a redundant piece given the remaining personnel. There’s plenty of firepower 1-4 to where a higher usage 5 who is a big defensive liability doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,458]

DeVries - 2 million
Wilkerson - 2 million 
Bailey 1.5 million 
Conerway - 1.25 million 
Dorn - 750,000 to 1 million 
Miles - 600,000
Drake - 400,000
Alexis - 1 million 
Enright - 600,000
Sisley - 400,000
Harris - 500,000
Pretty we spent 10-11 million and not including Goode. 

Kentucky offered Wilkerson that much for their starting SG role.
MSU was going hard after Conerway.  

Every school would take DeVries.
Bailey committed to IU over Texas and Kentucky. 
Alexis a solid backup big. 
Enright is a solid backup guard. 
 
The biggest questions are Dorn, Miles, Drake,  Harris and Sisley and we just hope one fills a starting role and backup role.  Drama much.  

 

Some of these numbers match what I’m seeing. Some I haven’t seen reported. Alexis at a million would be wild. Enright at 600k is wild. Conerway at 1.25 is something too.

If we are paying an “all conference” price, “P5” starter price, P5 reserve price and then you think Indiana should be able to beat everyone except about 10 in total budget we should be able to pick our starters and our reserves. Then it’s just scouting and setting worth. I suppose that’s exactly what the staff did.


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[IUGRAD06 938]

Just now, AH1971 said:

With the way the roster is constructed, there’s one glaring weakness: a 5 who can protect the rim and rebound on both ends of the floor. If there was ever a time to overpay for a position of need, this would have been the time.

Nothing against Reed Bailey, I like what he brings to the table offensively, but he just seems like a redundant piece given the remaining personnel. There’s plenty of firepower 1-4 to where a higher usage 5 who is a big defensive liability doesn’t make a whole ton of sense. 

And Baba isn’t that.  He is a worse version of Reed Bailey that blocks better.  Doesn’t rebound better a whole lot.  As was said in another place, most of the big time bigs knew where they were going before entering the portal. Alexis has a higher rebounding percentage and his block percentage was double what Baba was at the mid major route. Sometimes height isn’t everything.  

[AH1971 3,240]

Just now, IUGRAD06 said:

And Baba isn’t that.  He is a worse version of Reed Bailey that blocks better.  Doesn’t rebound better a whole lot.  As was said in another place, most of the big time bigs knew where they were going before entering the portal. Alexis has a higher rebounding percentage and his block percentage was double what Baba was at the mid major route. Sometimes height isn’t everything.  

Never mentioned height. Shocked Florida wouldn’t entertain the idea of bringing back Alexis if he’s as good as advertised, especially considering there’s a possibility they might lose both Condon and Chinyelu.