Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[JaybobHoosier 13,167]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:10 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He wasn’t my first choice, but I didn’t hate the hire and still don’t. I just expected to be farther along nearly a month into the hire than we are right now. It isn’t any one particular factor but rather the combination of them all that has me concerned.

He had a comparable situation going into WVU last year, so I expected a smooth transition this time around given that he’s done it before. One of the positives I felt around the hire was that he had a team with some guys he could bring over to IU with him, but none of them (other than his son) have joined him for whatever reason. I’m not sure how to feel about the assistant coach hires, and it took awhile to get the staff in place. I have questions with his two portal additions because we don’t have a full roster to see how they fit. We need better starting guards than Enright. He should be fine as a backup/role player, but we need some starters. I like Bailey as an offensive player but he isn’t a strong defender, so we’ll need defenders to make up for it. 

Idk. I know I’m looking at a partially painted picture at this point and we won’t have answers until it’s fully painted. I just expected it to be closer to finished at this point. 

Really appreciate your response and I actually agree. I’ve been a little disappointed with how the recruiting has gone and with assistants, so I totally get that. I’m not saying you aren’t, just speaking for myself, but I’m choosing patience for this coach who gets a lot out of the talent he acquires. I don’t see missing the tournament this year as a failure at all. 
 

I really think we need to be patient and see how things shake out on the court. We have a good basketball coach, finally, and I think we will like what we see. Don’t forget, Coach stated he won’t sacrifice his culture for talent, which is a complete 180 than Woody. 
 

I’m not saying he will be Painter, but if he builds his culture and gets the players that fit it, good chance we can have similar results, which I think we would all take in a heartbeat. 

[HoosierX 1,777]

  On 4/14/2025 at 1:53 PM, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

He's literally on a visit to Auburn. 

I don't want our 7ft making many moves other than dunks. How does someone who's 7ft have a low floor? Complete opposite. wont he have multiple years of eligibility? I'm certain he's better than Hatton and the other big kid we had off the bench.... and we won't have to run offense through him like Ballo. 

Do you not understand the floor/ceiling concept?

This guy may have a high ceiling, but he's basically the definition of a low floor prospect because he doesn't have a lot of skills. If he doesn't improve much from where he's currently at, he won't be a major contributor - hence a low floor. If he improves a lot, he has a high ceiling due to height and athleticism.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,790]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:24 PM, Demo said:

Also read some post that I can’t find anymore that the kid just got in the country in August and the 2nd half of their season his stat line averages was something like 13/13/5blks. 

first 21 games-- 5 games in double figures

last 12 games-- 8 games in double figures 

 

7 double digit reb in the last 12

3 double digit reb in first 21

 

[AH1971 3,132]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:42 PM, HoosierX said:

Do you not understand the floor/ceiling concept?

This guy may have a high ceiling, but he's basically the definition of a low floor prospect because he doesn't have a lot of skills. If he doesn't improve much from where he's currently at, he won't be a major contributor - hence a low floor. If he improves a lot, he has a high ceiling due to height and athleticism.

You've missed the point. He doesn't need to be highly skilled to make a huge impact next year at 7 foot. If he can catch lobs and protect the rim for ~15 mpg next year I don't care how unskilled he is as that would net a solid portal addition. How skilled was the Chinyelu guy from Florida this past year?

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,790]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:42 PM, HoosierX said:

Do you not understand the floor/ceiling concept?

This guy may have a high ceiling, but he's basically the definition of a low floor prospect because he doesn't have a lot of skills. If he doesn't improve much from where he's currently at, he won't be a major contributor - hence a low floor. If he improves a lot, he has a high ceiling due to height and athleticism.

I understand it perfectly, I'm not convinced you do. 

His ceiling isn't that high BECAUSE of his lack of skill. The kid more than looks, and plays, like he is someone that can compete fine, right now, if spots 1-4 are taken care of accordingly. Hence... low floor. He doesn't hurt you. 

Why wouldn't he improve much? He improved a ton during the season last year. 

[str8baller 7,462]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:40 PM, AH1971 said:

Like Rutgers who had a losing record? An "underpaid role player" in the NBA is 100x more serviceable than a college jersey filler. Comparison isn't really fair. 

No. Like Duke who was in the Final Four. Pretty sure I mentioned them originally. 

[Chris007 62,442]

I don't think we should try to compare the IUFB turnaround with this upcoming IUBB season. Remember Cig brought his whole coaching staff and all of his best players. That's not the situation with DDV. Not saying he won't have the same success but he's not starting on at least second base like Cig was. 

[AH1971 3,132]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:46 PM, str8baller said:

No. Like Duke who was in the Final Four. Pretty sure I mentioned them originally. 

Duke had 3 top 15 picks on their roster last year and 5 other top 50 prospects that were all getting paid. They added two role guys in Gillis and James. Terrible comparison. 

[Juwan Moye 1,170]

My favorite crashing out posts are the doomers saying “the portal is almost closed” when they clearly don’t even know what the portal closing means. The internet is a fun place.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,790]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:48 PM, Chris007 said:

I don't think we should try to compare the IUFB turnaround with this upcoming IUBB season. Remember Cig brought his whole coaching staff and all of his best players. That's not the situation with DDV. Not saying he won't have the same success but he's not starting on at least second base like Cig was. 

mmmmm..... 

I could say he's bringing his own in Tucker and Enright. That's comparable to what Cignetti did. 

But, hard for anyone to measure up with Ponds, Fisher, Walker, Kamara, and Sarratt, among others... I agree. 

[JaybobHoosier 13,167]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:23 PM, ebridges24 said:

Preach it brother 

 

[Chris007 62,442]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:49 PM, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

mmmmm..... 

I could say he's bringing his own in Tucker and Enright. That's comparable to what Cignetti did. 

But, hard for anyone to measure up with Ponds, Fisher, Walker, Kamara, and Sarratt, among others... I agree. 

Plus, offensive and defensive coordinators. But he is bringing his S&C coach, so that is comparable. 

[JaybobHoosier 13,167]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:48 PM, Chris007 said:

I don't think we should try to compare the IUFB turnaround with this upcoming IUBB season. Remember Cig brought his whole coaching staff and all of his best players. That's not the situation with DDV. Not saying he won't have the same success but he's not starting on at least second base like Cig was. 

Not saying it’s the same, but being patient in letting a coach bring in a new culture and do things their way should be allowed. I don’t see some amazing turnaround in basketball, but all the doom and gloom is ridiculous to me. Just my opinion, that’s all it is.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,355]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:49 PM, Juwan Moye said:

My favorite crashing out posts are the doomers saying “the portal is almost closed” when they clearly don’t even know what the portal closing means. The internet is a fun place.

If you are referring to me, I know exactly what it means. My point was the actual talent in the portal is already dwindling and new hopeful players won’t have the chance to join soon.   I’d like to have better players than many of the ones we are targeting now. So for me, I hope we can coax/poach some good players into the portal before the “portal closes”.  

[str8baller 7,462]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:49 PM, AH1971 said:

Duke had 3 top 15 picks on their roster last year and 5 other top 50 prospects that were all getting paid. They added two role guys in Gillis and James. Terrible comparison. 

I remember you from last offseason. I’m not going to try and make you understand something you can’t. 
 

Flagg was reportedly getting 4.5mil. Unless you think they’re total salary pool was over 9mil, he was soaking up 50% or better off their money. But he was the best player in the country so it was worth it.  
 

Just like last offseason, you’ll have to wait and see it next year until you believe it. The top guys will be getting 30% or better of a team’s total salary. 

[HoosierX 1,777]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:46 PM, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I understand it perfectly, I'm not convinced you do. 

His ceiling isn't that high BECAUSE of his lack of skill. The kid more than looks, and plays, like he is someone that can compete fine, right now, if spots 1-4 are taken care of accordingly. Hence... low floor. He doesn't hurt you. 

Why wouldn't he improve much? He improved a ton during the season last year. 

You just proved that you don't understand the concept. Ultimately skills can be developed while height and athleticism cannot.

You can plot physical traits and basketball skills on a 2x2. You can only get into the top right quadrant if you have both. He is a high ceiling prospect because he can actually get into the top right quadrant by developing skills since he already has the physical traits. But right now his level of basketball skills is low and if they don't improve, he won't contribute.

But just having physical traits doesn't give you a high floor, because you need skills to contribute meaningfully. Hanner Perea was the poster boy for this concept.

[iu eyedoc 4,446]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:46 PM, str8baller said:

No. Like Duke who was in the Final Four. Pretty sure I mentioned them originally. 

Well if you consider Knueppel, Maluach, Proctor and their 4 other 5 star players role players...I agree

[AH1971 3,132]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:54 PM, str8baller said:

I remember you from last offseason. I’m not going to try and make you understand something you can’t. 
 

Flagg was reportedly getting 4.5mil. Unless you think they’re total salary pool was over 9mil, he was soaking up 50% or better off their money. But he was the best player in the country so it was worth it.  
 

Just like last offseason, you’ll have to wait and see it next year until you believe it. The top guys will be getting 30% or better of a team’s total salary. 

Not all $4.5million of that was from Duke collectives by the way, he had other 3rd party endorsement deals.

If a guy like Gabe Cupps is getting $600k to go to Ohio State, there isn't a chance in hell IU could dump ~80% of its NIL on 3 players (Conwell, Dix, and Tucker DeVries) and expect to be competitive next year surrounding them with "jersey fillers".

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,790]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:51 PM, Chris007 said:

Plus, offensive and defensive coordinators. But he is bringing his S&C coach, so that is comparable. 

well... we're bringing 1 asst and a SC from WVU

[Hoosierfan2017 24,877]

  On 4/14/2025 at 2:40 PM, JaybobHoosier said:

Really appreciate your response and I actually agree. I’ve been a little disappointed with how the recruiting has gone and with assistants, so I totally get that. I’m not saying you aren’t, just speaking for myself, but I’m choosing patience for this coach who gets a lot out of the talent he acquires. I don’t see missing the tournament this year as a failure at all. 
 

I really think we need to be patient and see how things shake out on the court. We have a good basketball coach, finally, and I think we will like what we see. Don’t forget, Coach stated he won’t sacrifice his culture for talent, which is a complete 180 than Woody. 
 

I’m not saying he will be Painter, but if he builds his culture and gets the players that fit it, good chance we can have similar results, which I think we would all take in a heartbeat. 

I’m generally impatient with things, but I don’t have an issue being patient if we get something good out of it. It’s just that we’ve sat around trying to be patient with the last two hires and we just kept waiting and waiting. We’ve seen immediate turnarounds in basketball just last year with schools just a few hours away from IU, and across the parking lot from Assembly Hall in football, so it’s just going to be a struggle for me to be patient this upcoming season. I don’t expect a final four appearance or a conference title next season, but I’m definitely expecting a better season than IU’s past two.