Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Golfman25 6,590]

16 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Not sure where you get the impression “we are all” unhappy with how the coach search went. If the portal goes like the coach search went I think the majority of folks will be thrilled with the roster. 

Yeah.  Think we are going to get a more lunch bucket kind of TEAM vs a bunch of individual *****.   The pieces need to fit, no red flags, etc.   I just hope he can land some multi-year guys he can build future teams off of.  

[IUCrazy2 2,846]

3 hours ago, bigrod said:

I get it, but most on here were ready to hand us the Big Ten trophy after last off season. Personally, I'm not getting too hung up on stars. Seems like DD has a plan and knows what he's looking for, instead of just stars after their names. 80+% of the roster will likely be portal players next year. While it's a necessity next season, it's not a good long term plan, and from what I've seen and heard, not what DD wants either. IMO, you want to get dudes, but dudes that fit with the team culture that he is looking to establish. I'd rather give up a few wins next year if it means building for long-term success. 

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,251]

6 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

And what was that crews record vs P5 teams? 

They are completely irrelevant in this conversation. 

[AZ Hoosier 10,629]

5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

All well and good but the bar has been set on this already by some of our rivals and the "one that got away".  He can miss a few wins to build a culture but I don't think he can miss the tournament.  Not after basically dismissing all that was left over from a 20 win team.

If we win 18 games and miss the tournament again next year, with our payroll, there will be grumbling.

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

[Pagoda 4,124]

12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

Once the season ended I calmed myself down with respect to Woodson and forget about him.

After seeing our entire $6M roster gone (mostly via portal) and the new coach likely not seeing anyone on staff worth retaining... it reminded how awful he was and how much damage he did.  Once we get a new roster in place, assuming it is decent to good on paper, then I can probably forget about Woody again.  So frustrating...

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8 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

And what was that crews record vs P5 teams? 

They are completely irrelevant in this conversation. 

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

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17 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Not to pick nits, but Woodson's last stand was 19-13 to follow up a 19-14 season. He never got to 20 wins without TJD carrying the load.

My bad.  I kind of shut it down a little at the end of the year, for some reason I thought they got to 20.  Main point still stands though.  He will dig himself a little bit of a hole if we miss the tournament yet again next year and anything and everything that happens or doesn't happen right now will be what gets dissected and gone through with a microscope to figure out why.  Now he could miss and then completely hit the gas and never look back and be fine, but there will be grumbling if we miss next year.  We all know that.  There is no patience for new hires anymore when you can buy a team and that is even more pronounced with this fanbase when so many local teams and rivals just did that and had quite a bit of success.

With reportedly $10 million to spend, he can get whomever he wants and thinks is best for his program but they almost have to make the tournament.  He does himself and his program a disservice if they miss.

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8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

I think it's pretty fair with +/- $11M player payroll we should make the tournament.  I mean it's hard to miss the field of 68 with top-5 or 10 payroll, Woody had to do so many things wrong this past season for us to actually not make it.

There will be lumps and bumps, but it's important we see a team identity developing, the team shows overall improvement throughout the year, we get in the tourney, and we are competitive.  I don't expect to win the conference or go deep in the tourney, but we all know what competitive, well run program looks like.

To keep this on topic, we may have some misses like Conwell, but we should have a tourney squad.

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9 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

They aren't unless things go bad.  Let's be real, Archie Miller was irrelevant to the Woodson conversation but his shadow was still felt.  If we don't make the tournament next year after what appears to be a lackluster offseason, people are going to question whether letting go of a Rice or a Tucker was a good idea.  Not everyone, but there is a percentage of the fanbase that wasn't happy with this hire already.

Dusty and Pope made the Sweet 16 in year one.  Louisville completely overhauled their roster and made the tournament.  You all are kidding yourselves about how some of this fanbase is going to react if we miss the tournament next year.

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all to your first sentence. I have no interest in debating of hypothetically something happens. But no, our most recent teams' individuals aren't a drop in the bucket moving forward. 

They were 10-11 vs B1G teams 

And absolutely slammed by UL and Gonzaga, two teams that couldn't even make a Sw16. 

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1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

I think it's pretty fair with +/- $11M player payroll we should make the tournament.  I mean it's hard to miss the field of 68, Woody had to do so many things wrong this past season for us to actually not make it.

There will be lumps and bumps, but it's important we see a team identity developing, the team shows overall improvement throughout the year, we get in the tourney, and we are competitive.  I don't expect to win the conference or go deep in the tourney, but we all know what competitive, well run program looks like.

To keep this on topic, we may have some misses like Conwell, but we should have a tourney squad.

Yes, that is all I am saying.  We can "lose" the offseason or we can "win" the offseason, what we cannot do is have another "miss" season.

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Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all. 

You think IU Twitter is going to be cool if we have a bunch of portal misses and end up missing the tournament next year?  You are of course entitled to your opinion but I don't see that ending well.

Hopefully we actually get some good basketball and it doesn't matter.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,251]

2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

You think IU Twitter is going to be cool if we have a bunch of portal misses and end up missing the tournament next year?  You are of course entitled to your opinion but I don't see that ending well.

Hopefully we actually get some good basketball and it doesn't matter.

I couldn't imagine caring about IU Twitter lol 

But, we should absolutely be livid if we don't make the tourney. It just doesn't have anything to do with the crew we just dumped. 

[AZ Hoosier 10,629]

5 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

My bad.  I kind of shut it down a little at the end of the year, for some reason I thought they got to 20.  Main point still stands though.  He will dig himself a little bit of a hole if we miss the tournament yet again next year and anything and everything that happens or doesn't happen right now will be what gets dissected and gone through with a microscope to figure out why.  Now he could miss and then completely hit the gas and never look back and be fine, but there will be grumbling if we miss next year.  We all know that.  There is no patience for new hires anymore when you can buy a team and that is even more pronounced with this fanbase when so many local teams and rivals just did that and had quite a bit of success.

With reportedly $10 million to spend, he can get whomever he wants and thinks is best for his program but they almost have to make the tournament.  He does himself and his program a disservice if they miss.

I get it... and as I said, I was picking at nits... bottom line is that Woodson was a special kind of horrible in so many ways... losing his assemblage of mercenaries who were primarily chasing bags of gold is ultimately not a bad thing.

I am willing to give DeVries a year to settle in and get his bearings, but I really think that he can/will put a competitive team together for year one. And while there is little patience for new hires given our history of really bad hires, as a fan base, we need to show a bit of grace.. Hopefully we will all be surprised in a positive way.

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6 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all to your first sentence. I have no interest in debating of hypothetically something happens. But no, our most recent teams' individuals aren't a drop in the bucket moving forward. 

They were 10-11 vs B1G teams 

And absolutely slammed by UL and Gonzaga, two teams that couldn't even make a Sw16. 

IU was 12-13 versus power 5 (beat South Carolina and providence), 12-14 if you throw in Gonzaga (not a power 5 but definitely a good team).

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3 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I couldn't imagine caring about IU Twitter lol 

But, we should absolutely be livid if we don't make the tourney. It just doesn't have anything to do with the crew we just dumped. 

You care about IU social media if you are the coach because that drives perception of your program.  If after one year you already have people saying, "We got the wrong hire who then brought in the wrong guys..." that is the beginning of a bad narrative.  In one year.  We don't want that.  Devries doesn't want that.  The school doesn't want that.

As you said, we should be livid if we miss the tournament.  If that were to happen and guys like Tucker, Rice, and Reneau go to other schools and put up numbers, they will become part of that conversation. 

"We won 18 games but really had a weakness scoring in the paint.  Looks like Reneau put up 16 and 8, imagine if we had him instead of this or that guy we pulled out of the portal."

"We won 18 games but really had an athleticism problem at the guard position.  We couldn't defend quicker players and we couldn't get out in transition.  Would Rice have been worth 2 or 3 more wins?  He could have brought what we were missing."

When things go wrong, everything matters.  If Conwell goes to Texas and Bidunga goes to Auburn and both perform well and we end up with two mid major guys instead who just do okay but look outmatched against P5 teams, people will be upset.  The NIL money is a blessing and a curse.

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It seems like CDD has a reasonable amount of leeway with this portal/initial roster build.  In the end, next season is what matters and how many wins he can stack up.

It is true though, he can't miss on every or close to every "big time" recruit.  A big part of this job is recruiting (duh), and he's got to show some recruiting chops this month, or else I would have to say it's a concern.  What I don't want is a roster where it's hard to see how they can be any good and no one is excited.  CDD would have a chance to prove everyone wrong, but I'd rather not go into a season where the coach has to prove his roster is actually good.

Now, I don't think this will happen.  And I'm ready to give CDD the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.  But... and I'm stating the obvious... these next few weeks are really important.  Hopefully we can land a few guys this week and get some momentum going.

 

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10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are gonna have to land some dudes by the end of this.  If the portal ends up like the coach search we are all going to need summer to recover from our disappointments.  Conwell would hurt. Wonder what our 3rd and 4th options look like?

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

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13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I get it... and as I said, I was picking at nits... bottom line is that Woodson was a special kind of horrible in so many ways... loosing is assemblage of mercenaries who were primarily chasing bags of gold is not necessarily a bad thing.

I am willing to give DeVries a year to settle in and get his bearings, but I really think that he can/will put a competitive team together for year one. And while there is little patience for new hires given our history of really bad hires, as a fan base, we need to show a bit of patience... Hopefully we will all be surprised in a positive way.

Mostly agree but I still think that tournament should be the baseline with our resources.  Even Mike Woodson was able to limp into the tournament his first year.

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3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

Youse saying I'm nonsense?

(Seriously, I was initially disappointed but DeVries results shows he knows what he's doing so I'm optimistic.)

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Just now, Scotty R said:

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

Yeah and I want to get out there and say I am cautiously optimistic.  I think he has the X's and O's chops.  The thing that I need to see is recruiting.  I will be up front and say that I don't want to just be a well coached team of B and C tier guys who overperforms every year but really isn't a threat to go on many tournament runs. I want to be a well coached team of dudes who is competing for titles, both Big Ten and beyond.