They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Tasmanian Devil]

25 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I'm not all that confident we beat PSU at home. I think they'll shoot better than 3/21 from deep next time, because everybody shoots better in Assembly Hall, and by February 26th I expect team morale to be a lot worse than it is right now. 

Can't say I blame you with this view.

We might be 12-3, but in games we've played anybody halfway decent or better we've lost. We don't have a TJD (or even a Ke'lel Ware) to rally around when things get tough as they will in the coming weeks. I see us beating USC, but it'll be interesting to see how long the win column remains at 13.

[Pagoda]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Well they are sort of dumb they gave 6 million dollars to a bad coach. They clearly believed in him.

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Probably not giving him $6M again after they just saw $6M didn't do much.

And the question really is are they going to be upset if Scott wants a coaching change?  As in are they going to reduce donations?  That would be their play if they were upset with Scott's decision.  I doubt they do that.

[Home Jersey]

We beat RU without their best player by 10 and PSU by 6 while they were shooting abysmally from 3 and the FT line … when Goode was struggling early in the season people liked to say “water finds its level” … that doesn’t really bode well for next time we play them/the rest of conference play. But, at least it’s not as painful to watch lately since the energy and effort is there. Can’t imagine making the same mistake we made last offseason again, but way wackier stuff has happened… just going to try and enjoy wins this year. As pretty much everyone here is… nobody here is in shambles. People just aren’t ignoring the elephant in the room, which the admin is entirely responsible for creating this year.

On a more positive note… Goode played really well today. Mgbako can be frustrating but also score in bunches. He may actually be the microwave scorer Carlyle was thought to be coming in. Feel bad for KC that it’s really not working out here. He seems in his head. It was fun after the win for all the IU fans to stand up and cheer as they left the court. The players were excited and pumping up the crowd… I’ll always enjoy seeing that no matter who is coaching. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

We beat RU without their best player by 10 and PSU by 6 while they were shooting abysmally from 3 and the FT line … when Goode was struggling early in the season people liked to say “water finds its level” … that doesn’t really bode well for next time we play them/the rest of conference play. But, at least it’s not as painful to watch lately since the energy and effort is there. Can’t imagine making the same mistake we made last offseason again, but way wackier stuff has happened… just going to try and enjoy wins this year. As pretty much everyone here is… nobody here is in shambles. People just aren’t ignoring the elephant in the room, which the admin is entirely responsible for creating this year.

On a more positive note… Goode played really well today. Mgbako can be frustrating but also score in bunches. He may actually be the microwave scorer Carlyle was thought to be coming in. Feel bad for KC that it’s really not working out here. He seems in his head. It was fun after the win for all the IU fans to stand up and cheer as they left the court. The players were excited and pumping up the crowd… I’ll always enjoy seeing that no matter who is coaching. 

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

[Home Jersey]

Just now, AH1971 said:

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

Doesn’t change the fact Dylan Harper was out. Can you read? Lol

[FortWayneHoosier]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

Not only the other boards but, when I was at the Winthrop game everyone was saying the same thing “he needs to go” 

[MikeRoberts]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Making the tourney isn't going to save Mike Woodson's job.  The $$ donors aren't blind to what he puts on the court and certainly the $$ and Buckner can see how lackadaisical Woody has been in recruiting.  Losing Haralson and Mullins as plaintiff's exhibits 1 & 2.  McNeeley's decommit as plaintiff's exhibit 3.  Every board I look at is basically a mirror image of ours.  Hard core dump his a$$ now crowd and others like me who aren't at all happy but will let it play out until March.  Even if he makes a Final Four he'll go off in a blaze of glory bragging that "I did my job".   He bought this team.  He can't buy a championship caliber team every year and lord knows he can't recruit one.

Outside of the specific players you mentioned in this cycle, all of this was evident before they retained him for another year, gave him a raise and more resources.

fans wanted him gone last year and his lack of recruiting high school kids was evident, his archaic style of play was on display.

the only difference MIGHT be is that he improves his record YOY and makes the tournament. it is incredibly uncommon to fire a coach that makes the tournament and IU has never proven themselves to be aggressive in these manners like a UK.

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

Not only the other boards but, when I was at the Winthrop game everyone was saying the same thing “he needs to go” 

Quite a few people around me criticized his lineups/lack of energy on the sidelines, a couple “true fan” jokes… some “I wonder who will be coaching next year?” comments. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Quite a few people around me criticized his lineups/lack of energy on the sidelines, a couple “true fan” jokes… some “I wonder who will be coaching next year?” comments. 

It sounds like the game I went to this time last year…. Yet we’re still here

[TTT]

Not so fast with fire the coach reality.  Indiana may have enough physicality to peak with march madness sweet 16.  And since so many teams are selected to be in the tournament nowadays unlike when it used to be half as many or less teams selected for tournament that could be a possibility.  In recent years no one else has done any better.

[OKHOOSIER]

36 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Committee doesn’t separate non con wins and conference wins.   8 Q1 wins is 8Q1 wins.  If and this is a big if IU had 8 Q1 wins with O  Q3 losses they are probably wearing white in the first round 

Nobody gets to 8+ Q1 wins without non-conference by seasons end with 9 conference losses. That was my point. Last year a grand total of 11 teams had 8 or more q1 wins by March Madness. Only 1 (Baylor) had 10 losses who also finished lowest of the 11 in the NET at 15 by virtue of their Big12 season. Playing January hypotheticals is pointless. I still think we get to 10/11 wins but it’s highly unlikely 80% of them are Q1 by selection time. 

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Playing January hypotheticals is pointless

Agree but yet people still post them 

[IndianaSconnie90]

30 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

*completely ignores IU lost its leading scorer 60 seconds into the game and withstood an epic single game performance from an immensely talented player…and still won by double digits.

Par.For.The.Damn.Course

The big obvious difference being that our roster without MR is still way more talented than Rutgers, but continue

[Uspshoosier]

12 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Nobody gets to 8+ Q1 wins without non-conference by seasons end with 9 conference losses

Normally I would agree however with how good the B1G did (minus IU) in the non con and especially how good the sec did they pretty much assured their conference extra teams come March.    There are 3 phases to build a resume. Non con, conference and conference tourney.  Ive seen teams sucks in non con and kill it in conference I’ve also seen teams kill in non con and suck it up in conference.   You make life easier by getting those non con wins however 

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

The big obvious difference being that our roster without MR is still way more talented than Rutgers, but continue

And outside a few heater runs, IU largely controlled the game and lead comfortably for extended stretches. Your point? IU did what they were supposed to do, why throw in a caveat?

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Normally I would agree however with how good the B1G did (minus IU) in the non con and especially how good the sec did they pretty much assured their conference extra teams come March.    There are 3 phases to build a resume. Non con, conference and conference tourney.  Ive seen teams sucks in non con and kill it in conference I’ve also seen teams kill in non con and suck it up in conference.   You make life easier by getting those non con wins however 

I know the SEC killed it since Esecpn wouldn’t stop bringing it up but thought the B1G was pretty pedestrian by comparison. Lunardi has 11 B1G teams in right now and if that holds I think we are in good shape, but there’s zero room for error IMO.  We have to take care of business at home. I think Lunardis forecast is probably too bullish,  yet who knows lol. 

[IndianaSconnie90]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And outside a few heater runs, IU largely controlled the game and lead comfortably for extended stretches. Your point? IU did what they were supposed to do, why throw in a caveat?

Are you really just missing the point of concern here or do you just think you're smarter than everybody else? I don't understand how you don't get the hesitation to feel good about the wins against RU and PSU. 

You beat RU missing their best player by 10 and only 1 player reaching double digits. You then beat a PSU by 6 who shoots horrendously from 3 and uncharacteristically bad from the FT line. 

I don't get what leg you think you have to stand on in this thread on this point. More than a few individuals are sharing this concern and you just want to combat it and hand wave it like we're idiots. Did they win? Sure. However, it's difficult to argue that these wins haven't come due to some very good fortune in their favor, as previously stated. That, in turn, is cause for concern for many going forward, like it or not

[Hornsby]

Probably best case is he wins alot of games and he retires a hero to his twitter fan club. I did my job then leaves. Anything else and he is likely back.

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[OKHOOSIER]

4 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Probably best case is he wins alot of games and he retires a hero to his twitter fan club. I did my job then leaves. Anything else and he is likely back.

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I like to imagine Dolson tells Woody he needs to see him in his office after the season and Woody responds with “You wanna fire Mike Woodson, you come to Mike Woodson’s office.”