They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Has AD Dolson seen the way we defend the perimeter? lol

We defend the perimeter?

[HinnyHoosier]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Has AD Dolson seen the way we defend the perimeter? lol

 

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

We defend the perimeter?

Perimeter?

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

We defend the perimeter?

We defend the nail. The slot. And the rim.

Perimeter is not among the choices.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

We defend the perimeter about as well as Custer defended Little Big Horn.

[Home Jersey]

The Hysterics podcast is blistering towards Woody. They are also huge dweebs. 

This program does not deserve it's fans right now. This season of IU basketball is a grift.

[LamarCheeks]

13 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

There’s no groundswell against Mike right now from the stakeholders who are a part of this, just like there wasn’t last Spring when people wanted Woodson gone. They’re going to let the season play out, they’ll evaluate along the way, and then they’ll decide. But the notion that Scott has wanted to pull the trigger on Mike simply isn’t true.

How can there not be? The product on the floor has been, at times, nothing but hot garbage -- particularly in the Bahamas. It was last season as well -- with several embarrassing losses. 

If the "stakeholders" don't see issues, their heads are buried in the sand. And this program's gonna dig itself a hole so deep in the sand, it won't be able to recover -- if we aren't already there. I'm not in favor of a mid-season change -- not sure what the point would be -- but unless we win two or three NCAA games, I don't see how anyone can opposing making a move at season's end. And unfortunately for Woody -- we're just not good enough to win two or three NCAA games. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

How can there not be? The product on the floor has been, at times, nothing but hot garbage -- particularly in the Bahamas. It was last season as well -- with several embarrassing losses. 

If the "stakeholders" don't see issues, this program's gonna dig itself a hole so deep it won't be able to recover -- if we aren't already there. I'm not in favor of a mid-season change -- not sure what the point would be -- but unless we win two or three NCAA games, I don't see how anyone can opposing making a move at season's end. And unfortunately for Woody -- we're just not good enough to win two or three NCAA games. 

Our friend just dropping by to remind us our disappointment as fans doesn't matter until we meet the donor threshold, lol. 

[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

How can there not be? The product on the floor has been, at times, nothing but hot garbage -- particularly in the Bahamas. It was last season as well -- with several embarrassing losses. 

If the "stakeholders" don't see issues, this program's gonna dig itself a hole so deep it won't be able to recover -- if we aren't already there. I'm not in favor of a mid-season change -- not sure what the point would be -- but unless we win two or three NCAA games, I don't see how anyone can opposing making a move at season's end. And unfortunately for Woody -- we're just not good enough to win two or three NCAA games. 

Woodson wouldn't do that if we had the Celtics roster.

[Mopladysman]

2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Our friend just dropping by to remind us our disappointment as fans doesn't matter until we meet the donor threshold, lol. 

Yes, this is sad if Kathy is correct.  Everyone can see we aren't competitive against decent teams even with the allegedly top portal players.  We have one recruit (for now).  However, no one is interested in making a change.  I agreeing getting rid of him now is meaningless but the AD is too busy with football to think about basketball?  And who are these people paying all this money to suck?  Do they even watch IU basketball?   im sick of watching it.  It is time to FIRE MIKE WOODSON!

[HinnyHoosier]

25 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Scott likely has a list of coaches that he’d be interested in for every sport we play, including basketball, so he’s very diligent in that respect.

I was just pushing back on the notion that he’s ready to move Mike out or that he’s contemplating moving him out or that he’s planning three months out for that eventuality. He isn’t. Having contingencies is a part of any endeavor, but there’s a process for how these things get done within IU, and Scott knows that process quite well.

There’s no groundswell against Mike right now from the stakeholders who are a part of this, just like there wasn’t last Spring when people wanted Woodson gone. They’re going to let the season play out, they’ll evaluate along the way, and then they’ll decide. But the notion that Scott has wanted to pull the trigger on Mike simply isn’t true.

That's more believable. Contingencies. And I agree, he has to have them. I would also agree with your first assertion that he doesn't WANT to move Woodson out. People generally don't want to fire other people, especially not with the current dynamic of the relationship between MW and IU.

Obviously our perspectives are different and therefore our definitions likely follow suit. But your next assertions of Dolson not contemplating moving MW out or planning three months ahead just seem far fetched for any person in that seat. You cannot decide last minute to move on from a coach of a major D1 basketball program, and you cannot find the right fit in replacing him in short order. Well, let me say you SHOULDN'T.  He has a job to do, and it's a job that must be done well. If you see the writing forming on the wall, plan accordingly. Going by what you initially presented this morning it seems some people have begun to see clearly through their bifocals the status quo is not meeting expectations.

 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Several in here are misconstruing the context of the 'SD's radar' comment. It means making the coaching change is not on his immediate to-do list, mostly because he's not allowed to have it on there yet 

He knows he won't get a green light for it until March at the earliest so why lose sleep on it now? There's a lot going on with IU athletics at the moment and he's probably putting his energy where it's needed most... Like making sure Curt Cignetti stays in Bloomington. The end of the MW experiment has been on his radar since last year, and while he's waiting for the day he's allowed to relieve MW of his duties I'm sure he's done and continues doing his due diligence behind the scenes.

While I agree Cig and Football are more important at the moment, he darn well better be ready to deal with basketball.  It's a chit storm brewing.  Assembly Hall is going to get very, very ugly if they aren't "over the hump" soon.    

[coonhounds]

Woodson wouldn't do that if we had the Celtics roster.

Sadly our pro coach thinks like a nba guy still. You win in college with talent that is accompanied with guys buying in and competing as a team. Giving good effort and playing smart hard fundamental basketball. He think we can aquire talent and trot them out! Not the case in college

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[JSHoosier]

4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Sadly our pro coach thinks like a nba guy still. You win in college with talent that is accompanied with guys buying in and competing as a team. Giving good effort and playing smart hard fundamental basketball. He think we can aquire talent and trot them out! Not the case in college

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Our pro coach didn't win in the pros either.

[KathywithaC]

15 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

How can there not be? The product on the floor has been, at times, nothing but hot garbage -- particularly in the Bahamas. It was last season as well -- with several embarrassing losses. 

If the "stakeholders" don't see issues, their heads are buried in the sand. And this program's gonna dig itself a hole so deep in the sand, it won't be able to recover -- if we aren't already there. I'm not in favor of a mid-season change -- not sure what the point would be -- but unless we win two or three NCAA games, I don't see how anyone can opposing making a move at season's end. And unfortunately for Woody -- we're just not good enough to win two or three NCAA games. 

I’m not saying people aren’t “concerned”, but it was two games in late November. I understand the emotional reaction that some people here have, but it’s a far more deliberative process from within the University. I know people don’t care for that, but it’s the reality. And deciding today what should happen in three months isn’t going to be a part of that process.

[Golfman25]

19 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

How can there not be? The product on the floor has been, at times, nothing but hot garbage -- particularly in the Bahamas. It was last season as well -- with several embarrassing losses. 

If the "stakeholders" don't see issues, their heads are buried in the sand. And this program's gonna dig itself a hole so deep in the sand, it won't be able to recover -- if we aren't already there. I'm not in favor of a mid-season change -- not sure what the point would be -- but unless we win two or three NCAA games, I don't see how anyone can opposing making a move at season's end. And unfortunately for Woody -- we're just not good enough to win two or three NCAA games. 

What, losing to Louisville by 28 is progress?   LOL.  

[KathywithaC]

10 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

That's more believable. Contingencies. And I agree, he has to have them. I would also agree with your first assertion that he doesn't WANT to move Woodson out. People generally don't want to fire other people, especially not with the current dynamic of the relationship between MW and IU.

Obviously our perspectives are different and therefore our definitions likely follow suit. But your next assertions of Dolson not contemplating moving MW out or planning three months ahead just seem far fetched for any person in that seat. You cannot decide last minute to move on from a coach of a major D1 basketball program, and you cannot find the right fit in replacing him in short order. Well, let me say you SHOULDN'T.  He has a job to do, and it's a job that must be done well. If you see the writing forming on the wall, plan accordingly. Going by what you initially presented this morning it seems some people have begun to see clearly through their bifocals the status quo is not meeting expectations.

 

I’m not saying he’s blind to what might have to happen down the road, but he’s not making the assumption that it is inevitable, or anything like that. He’ll watch it unfold, he’ll evaluate, he’ll decide. And it will all occur in consultation with others. His voice has considerable weight, but it’s not the only voice that matters. It never has been for him or any of his predecessors.

[Golfman25]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not saying people aren’t “concerned”, but it was two games in late November. I understand the emotional reaction that some people here have, but it’s a far more deliberative process from within the University. I know people don’t care for that, but it’s the reality. And deciding today what should happen in three months isn’t going to be a part of that process.

It wasn't two game in late November.  It was our first match up against P4 competition.  And they failed MISERABLY.  28 point loss to a brand new Louisville team.  16 point loss to Gonzaga.  It's not like the games went down to the buzzer and we lost by 3.  They flat out were not competitive.  It's a giant warning sign that IU basketball is on the brink of disaster.  

[HinnyHoosier]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not saying he’s blind to what might have to happen down the road, but he’s not making the assumption that it is inevitable, or anything like that. He’ll watch it unfold, he’ll evaluate, he’ll decide. And it will all occur in consultation with others. His voice has considerable weight, but it’s not the only voice that matters. It never has been for him or any of his predecessors.

It's some of the other voices that cause many of us concern. I have faith in Dolson, hence my staunch position that he is doing his best to uphold the standards of his position. 

[LamarCheeks]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not saying people aren’t “concerned”, but it was two games in late November. I understand the emotional reaction that some people here have, but it’s a far more deliberative process from within the University. I know people don’t care for that, but it’s the reality. And deciding today what should happen in three months isn’t going to be a part of that process.

It's not just two games in late November. It's missing out on last year's postseason. It's getting annihilated by UConn, by Auburn, by Nebraska (twice), by Purdue (twice), by Penn State last season. It's missing out on high school recruits -- including having one decommit. You act as if we're all part of some lunatic fringe who are surrendering to knee-jerk reactions. 

This program is clearly not on the right track. Even these guys can see that ... 

[go iu bb]

33 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We defend the nail. The slot. And the rim.

Perimeter is not among the choices.

Before becoming IU's coach, all of Woodson's college basketball experience was before the 3-point line was added. Allowing long 2s was a good idea. So I guess he hasn't adjusted to this "new" college game where they're no longer long 2s but are instead worth 3 points.