They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUCrazy2]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Actually I just watched the UK game from that year a couple of weeks ago and that UK wasn't anything special. It had a freshman in Rex Chapman and just average players beyond that including James Blackmon. To me the SC game is the on par with that Vandy game and the other 3 is no better than the Bahamas games.

Like I said it isn't a great schedule but not as bad as some of you want to make it.

How can you say the other 3 are on par with the Bahamas games when you don't know our opponents.  I think everyone is assuming we are going to play Gonzaga and Arizona and then one of those 60 to 80 ranked teams.  That could happen but they aren't guaranteed games.

If we lose the first game, there is a (good) possibility we play neither of those 2 if they aren't our first round opponent.  That is the thing about the tournaments, you can't count on them to get you Q1 wins like you could setting up a home and home or a one off neutral site game.

This is a soft schedule that takes advantage of the indiosyncracies in the NCAA quadrant format.  Whoever put I together is playing the same game that other schools played last year.  You have a bunch of lower middle tier teams that you absolutely should beat and that looks better in a computer than getting hammered by a few really good teams and then taking several really bad teams to the woodshed.  I mean, whatever, it is the game, but it doesn't look like whoever put it together had all the swagger of the "anyone, anywhere" type of talk we heard about when Woodson took over.

 

[Scotty R]

1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

How can you say the other 3 are on par with the Bahamas games when you don't know our opponents.  I think everyone is assuming we are going to play Gonzaga and Arizona and then one of those 60 to 80 ranked teams.  That could happen but they aren't guaranteed games.

If we lose the first game, there is a (good) possibility we play neither of those 2 if they aren't our first round opponent.  That is the thing about the tournaments, you can't count on them to get you Q1 wins like you could setting up a home and home or a one off neutral site game.

This is a soft schedule that takes advantage of the indiosyncracies in the NCAA quadrant format.  Whoever put I together is playing the same game that other schools played last year.  You have a bunch of lower middle tier teams that you absolutely should beat and that looks better in a computer than getting hammered by a few really good teams and then taking several really bad teams to the woodshed.  I mean, whatever, it is the game, but it doesn't look like whoever put it together had all the swagger of the "anyone, anywhere" type of talk we heard about when Woodson took over.

 

So coaches can't win either way because if you schedule better teams and lose they get roasted. You play a soft schedule but win you get roasted.

It is obvious that that at least last  year the committee put more emphasis on the metrics and rewarded beating bad teams by a lot. You shouldn't blame the coaches for taking taking advantage of this.  The pressure on coaches to make the tournament is so great they will do what it takes to get in.

[Hoosierfan2017]

18 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

So coaches can't win either way because if you schedule better teams and lose they get roasted. You play a soft schedule but win you get roasted.

Here’s a groundbreaking thought: schedule better teams and win. 

[go iu bb]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Here’s a groundbreaking thought: schedule better teams and win. 

That doesn't work with this coach. His teams tend to get blown out by good teams, even his best team did.

[AH1971]

https://hoosierillustrated.com/indiana-basketball-takes-strategic-approach-to-2024-25-schedule/
 

A very fair and well articulated piece from a non-biased CBB pundit regarding IU’s schedule. Didn’t see the word soft used or even implied one time.

[RaceToTheTop]

5 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Last year’s non conference schedule sucked. Woodson lost to the only 3 good teams on the schedule and skated by a bunch of mediocre to bad teams. 

The results sucked.  That's different than saying the schedule sucked.  The net non-conference SOS last year was 110 I believe.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

The results sucked.  That's different than saying the schedule sucked.  The net non-conference SOS last year was 110 I believe.

Results or not it was pretty bad, but nobody called it that in real time because nobody had an axe to grind with Woodson. 
 

3 Q1 games

0 Q2 games

3 Q3 games

6 Q4 games

This year you’re potentially looking at:

2-3 Q1

2-3 Q2

2-3 Q3

3-4 Q4

[RaceToTheTop]

6 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Last year a team like Iowa St. Schedule almost all cupcakes and blew those teams out. They were rewarded a high seed so the committed shows that is the way to schedule 

They had four quad 1 and 2 games in non-conference, so it wasn't 'almost all cupcakes'.  And they were rewarded a high seed because they went 13-5 in the Big 12 and played 16 quad 1 games, winning 10 of them -- only two teams played more quad 1 games and only three won more than 10 quad one games.

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Results or not it was pretty bad, but nobody called it that in real time because nobody had an axe to grind with Woodson. 

Josh did 

[AH1971]

45 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

They had four quad 1 and 2 games in non-conference, so it wasn't 'almost all cupcakes'.  And they were rewarded a high seed because they went 13-5 in the Big 12 and played 16 quad 1 games, winning 10 of them -- only two teams played more quad 1 games and only three won more than 10 quad one games.

Iowa State’s non-conference ranked 345/362 on KenPom.

0-1 Q1 games (Texas A&M)

2-1 Q2 games Beat Iowa and VCU, lost VT

0-0 Q3 games

9-0 Q4 games

They’re non-conference schedule sucked.

[AH1971]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Josh did 

Good for Josh

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Josh did 

You are the tournament expert -- if IU had won one of the three games against U Conn, Kansas, and Auburn and blew out teams that they should have in the non conference, would the non-conference schedule been good enough?

[Uspshoosier]

On 7/9/2024 at 10:20 PM, AH1971 said:

Good for Josh

You said nobody and i give you an example of someone who did.  So good for me also  

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

You are the tournament expert -- if IU had won one of the three games against U Conn, Kansas, and Auburn and blew out teams that they should have in the non conference, would the non-conference schedule been good enough?

No.   They still wouldn’t of made the tourney 

[AH1971]

On 7/9/2024 at 10:23 PM, Uspshoosier said:

You said nobody and i give you an example of someone who did.  So good for me also  

I don’t care man. I didn’t the first time either.

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, AH1971 said:

I don’t care man. I didn’t the first time either.

Ok man.  

[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

No.   They still wouldn’t of made the tourney 

Which team would you pick?

Team A:  20-13, Q1 4-8, Q2 6-4, Q3 4-1, Q4 6-0.  Non-con NET SOS 122, Overall NET SOS 23

Team B:  21-11, Q1 5-8, Q2 5-3, Q3 5-0, Q4 7-1.  Non-con NET SOS 330, Overall NET SOS 47

 

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Which team would you pick?

Team A:  20-13, Q1 4-8, Q2 6-4, Q3 4-1, Q4 6-0.  Non-con NET SOS 122, Overall NET SOS 23

Team B:  21-11, Q1 5-8, Q2 5-3, Q3 5-0, Q4 7-1.  Non-con NET SOS 330, Overall NET SOS 47

 

Depends on how many of the Q1 wins were Q1a.   Neither 

[AZ Hoosier]

48 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

That doesn't work with this coach. His teams tend to get blown out by good teams, even his best team did.

... and squeaks past powerhouses like Army, Morehead State and Florida Gulf Coast... and don't forget losing twice to Penn State, thrice to Nebraska (blown out twice). 

Mike Woodson, doing his job since 2021.

[AZ Hoosier]

30 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Josh did 

Clearly ahead of his time.