They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

36 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

Our NIL pool is much larger than most other schools, that is literally an objective fact. I'm not saying Archie was a better coach, but Woodson has an advantage there that Archie didn't have. That is not debatable.

Woodson won more with Archie's players than Archie did himself. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

21 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Woodson's biggest advantage is ---- he's just a better coach. That's what I find to be not debatable. Ballo, Rice, and Kanaan, regardless of money, aren't coming here to play for Archie Miller. Goode would have--- but Archie's dumbass recruited others instead....

Franklin transferred on him. Archie couldn't create an advantage for himself in any way. 

Phinisee, Gunn, Lander, Fitz, Hunter, Anderson, Duncomb, Forrester, Geronimo, Parker Stewart...  the list goes on and on of just horrible scouting, development, whatever else. 

Parker Stewart was a Woodson guy.

[steubenhoosier]

10 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Yes, Miller was bad at almost all aspects of the job. Woodson is definitely better than the very low bar Miller sets.

Woodson has something that Archie never could, the experience in and the contacts with the NBA. He has used that to convince TJD to come back to IU. He used it to recruit JHS. He used it to acquire Ware, and probably Ballo. These guys don't stay at, or come to IU without the thought that Woodson knew what it takes to get to the league.

Frankly, he probably is the only IU coach in my lifetime with the connections to the league that he has. I am not saying that translates to winning games at IU. I am saying it translates to attracting high end talent.

[AH1971]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Parker Stewart was a Woodson guy.

No he was a Kenya Hunter guy who committed to IU (and sat out) while Archie was still coaching here.

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Yes. Just absurdly bad. 

Miller --- .536 winning %

Woodson--- .612 winning %

Case closed 

Through their first three seasons Archie was at .561 and Woodson was at .612. Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team. Archie didn’t have that luxury.

Im not even arguing that Archie was a better coach, but let’s not pretend that they were coaching under the same circumstances. IU was at a big disadvantage pre-NIL/transfer portal because our administration wouldn’t let the coaching staff go into the gray area. Archie, and the coaches before him, were fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. Now IU is at a big advantage with NIL. Woodson only winning 61% of his games and 51.7% of his conference games with all the advantages he now has as the IU coach shows how bad of a coach he is. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

No he was a Kenya Hunter guy who committed to IU (and sat out) while Archie was still coaching here.

Guess I don't remember him ever sitting out. Either way, I don't think Stewart is a knock on anyone. He was a good shooter and that's what he did.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Through their first three seasons Archie was at .561 and Woodson was at .612. Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team. Archie didn’t have that luxury.

Im not even arguing that Archie was a better coach, but let’s not pretend that they were coaching under the same circumstances. IU was at a big disadvantage pre-NIL/transfer portal because our administration wouldn’t let the coaching staff go into the gray area. Archie, and the coaches before him, were fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. Now IU is at a big advantage with NIL. Woodson only winning 61% of his games and 51.7% of his conference games with all the advantages he now has as the IU coach shows how bad of a coach he is. 

To be fair, Miller IMO wouldn’t have had donors stepping up to fill the coffers for him.  Woodson does have some support because of his past ties to Indiana.  Miller didn’t have that nor did he have the personality to make up for that.

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Through their first three seasons Archie was at .561 and Woodson was at .612. Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team. Archie didn’t have that luxury.

Im not even arguing that Archie was a better coach, but let’s not pretend that they were coaching under the same circumstances. IU was at a big disadvantage pre-NIL/transfer portal because our administration wouldn’t let the coaching staff go into the gray area. Archie, and the coaches before him, were fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. Now IU is at a big advantage with NIL. Woodson only winning 61% of his games and 51.7% of his conference games with all the advantages he now has as the IU coach shows how bad of a coach he is. 

Archie was literally spoon fed a top 5 recruit who was bought, paid, and steered to IU by Adidas. What gray area are you talking about?

[CSP]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Parker Stewart was a Woodson guy.

No he wasn't. 

[CSP]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Through their first three seasons Archie was at .561 and Woodson was at .612. Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team. Archie didn’t have that luxury.

Im not even arguing that Archie was a better coach, but let’s not pretend that they were coaching under the same circumstances. IU was at a big disadvantage pre-NIL/transfer portal because our administration wouldn’t let the coaching staff go into the gray area. Archie, and the coaches before him, were fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. Now IU is at a big advantage with NIL. Woodson only winning 61% of his games and 51.7% of his conference games with all the advantages he now has as the IU coach shows how bad of a coach he is. 

Idc how Woodson created his own advantages. They are coaching under the same circumstances. They are both the HC at Indiana. 

It's really silly to compare the two at all. 

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Guess I don't remember him ever sitting out. Either way, I don't think Stewart is a knock on anyone. He was a good shooter and that's what he did.

I believe he sat one semester at IU.  His father died in November of 2020 shortly before his junior season was to be begin. He decided against playing that year and transferred to IU to start the second semester, I believe.  But that was when Miller was still the coach.

[CSP]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Archie was literally spoon fed a top 5 recruit who was bought, paid, and steered to IU by Adidas. What gray area are you talking about?

And then got the next 5 star recruit because he loved the first 5 star recruit so much. 

Don't forget--- Archie doesn't sniff Romeo if Pitino doesn't get in trouble at UL. Guess who Archie's best player was? Juwan Morgan-- a Crean recruit.  

Again, this is silly. 

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

And then got the next 5 star recruit because he loved the first 5 star recruit so much. 

Don't forget--- Archie doesn't sniff Romeo if Pitino doesn't get in trouble at UL. Guess who Archie's best player was? Juwan Morgan-- a Crean recruit.  

Again, this is silly. 

I was more so alluding to the ridiculous assertion made by HF20017 that IU didn't enter into the gray area and that Archie was bad only because his hands were tied. Utter nonsense. 

[CSP]

Just now, AH1971 said:

I was more so alluding to the ridiculous assertion made by HF20017 that IU didn't enter into the gray area and that Archie was bad only because his hands were tied. Utter nonsense. 

I understand that. 

[IUc2016]

9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I was more so alluding to the ridiculous assertion made by HF20017 that IU didn't enter into the gray area and that Archie was bad only because his hands were tied. Utter nonsense. 

Yeah his hands AND feet must be tied at Rhode Island. Because he stinks worse there lol

[Stuhoo]

47 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

... Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team... 

Yay?

Yes - yay!

[go iu bb]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Yay?

Yes - yay!

Still a "yay" if he underperforms with that team but does well enough to keep his job to keep underperforming? That's more likely than him improving as a coach.

[AH1971]

5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Still a "yay" if he underperforms with that team but does well enough to keep his job to keep underperforming? That's more likely than him improving as a coach.

It's still about the Jimmies and Joes. This will be by far and away Woodson's deepest and most talented team. 

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Still a "yay" if he underperforms with that team but does well enough to keep his job to keep underperforming? 

"Booooo"

[Demo]

15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It's still about the Jimmies and Joes. This will be by far and away Woodson's deepest and most talented team. 

Comfortably. And if you want to play with that idea a little more, if your 6 thru 12 is:

Galloway, Goode, Tucker, Cupps, Leal, Newton(wild card, obviously) and Hatton(for the sake of this exercise) 

I’m trying to think of any IU roster of remotely recent vintage that has a 6 thru 12 that this group doesn’t hammer in a game.