They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

18 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Great, so if IU can also make huge leaps  to offensive rebound, protect the ball, provide assists and shoot ft like UConn I think you are on to something.

 

Totally plausible.

You've been screaming for the last 24 hours that there's no way to have a top 15 KenPom offense with a team  whose volume 3 point shooters shoot sub 40% from distance.....

You're wrong by a mile. 

 

[str8baller]

13 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Miller Kopp's per 40 min attempts were very comparable at both schools with the exception of his sophomore year in a season where Northwestern went 8-23. 

Xavier Johnson attempted more 3's at Pitt on teams that went 14-19, 16-17, and 10-12. It's almost as if Xavier Johnson taking more 3 pointers is a detriment to a teams success??? You won't find many Pitt fans who were said to see him go. 

If it weren’t for the players always screwing up and not shooting enough, or shooting too much, or not making shots, Mike Woodson would never lose a game! Players can be pesky like that. 

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Yeah, don't think anyone is coming out to guard Ballo 15 ft from the basket

In that respect just like Edey. Yet they still kept Edey on the perimeter for most of the start of possessions; he set screens to effect switches and get the defense rotating, and then dove to the rim. To me, that makes sense for Ballo too.

[iu eyedoc]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Projections for Mgbako and Carlyle aren't anything out of the ordinary for an expected sophomore jump based on last years numbers. 

Neither are Rice's either once you stop box score watching. 

What does that have to do with every other offensive statistic that IU lacked in? The simple fact is your imaginary increase in 3 pt % and volume doesn't even get IU in the top 50 without improvement everywhere else. And  there in lies the rub, whatever marginal improvement in talent $6M bought they are still being coached a bad brand of basketball and that trumps everything else.

[iu eyedoc]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You've been screaming for the last 24 hours that there's no way to have a top 15 KenPom offense with a team  whose volume 3 point shooters shoot sub 40% from distance.....

You're wrong by a mile. 

 

No I have been pointing out that your statement that some mythical improvement to 35% from 3 point shooting doesn't equal a significant improvement in OE. None of your pretzel logic makes it so. The "screaming" is just how you hear it in your head when your foolishness is pointed out.

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

What does that have to do with every other offensive statistic that IU lacked in? The simple fact is your imaginary increase in 3 pt % and volume doesn't even get IU in the top 50 without improvement everywhere else. And  there in lies the rub, whatever marginal improvement in talent $6M bought they are still being coached a bad brand of basketball and that trumps everything else.

Like no longer starting a PG(s) with 23 and 24% TOV rates? A lead 2 guard who shot 26% from 3 on low volume? You know just a miserable back court in general?

[iu eyedoc]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

In that respect just like Edey. Yet they still kept Edey on the perimeter for most of the start of possessions; he set screens to effect switches and get the defense rotating, and then dove to the rim. To me, that makes sense for Ballo too.

Agree, it would. I will believe it when I see it.

[IUCrazy2]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Like no longer starting a PG(s) with 23 and 24% TOV rates? A lead 2 guard who shot 26% from 3 on low volume? You know just a miserable back court in general?

Woodson has put together a nice roster on paper.  I fully expect to enjoy the 25+ win, Big Ten title contender, and NCAA run ahead of us in 2024/25.  That is what should happen with this roster so I don't want to hear any excuse making BS if we don't.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Woodson has put together a nice roster on paper.  I fully expect to enjoy the 25+ win, Big Ten title contender, and NCAA run ahead of us in 2024/25.  That is what should happen with this roster so I don't want to hear any excuse making BS if we don't.

Correct. It's why he assembled this roster. It's his last chance. 

[Hornsby]

Woodson has put together a nice roster on paper.  I fully expect to enjoy the 25+ win, Big Ten title contender, and NCAA run ahead of us in 2024/25.  That is what should happen with this roster so I don't want to hear any excuse making BS if we don't.

100% what should happen but if it doesn't the excuses will start. The expectations should be sky high. As you said 25 wins should be the expectation if not more.

 

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[iu eyedoc]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Like no longer starting a PG(s) with 23 and 24% TOV rates? A lead 2 guard who shot 26% from 3 on low volume? You know just a miserable back court in general?

Per 40 minute stats for Cupps, TG and Cupps? Care to venture any guesses?

 

 

You say a guy had low volume like it is a bad thing when he hit 26% .Truly crazy how you think high volume 3's are a good thing regardless of percentage. 26, 27.5, 32, 35% from three is bad at any volume. With the caveat that a 4 or 5 shooting 35% is acceptable to good, not because of the actual points per shot, but the way it opens up  the floor when a big has to be honored on the perimeter. Wings shooting below 37-38% is not a good thing, ever.

 

 

 

 

[Redcamaro]

Could we please move this conversation to another thread? You two...SMH!

[Feathery]

35 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

CJ Gunn says, Hold my Beer.  :)  

Yeah he wasn’t shy about shooting but man every time he shot it I thought it was going to be a miss. He was so streaky. A lot of goose eggs when you look up his stats. He reminded me of the old NY Knicks player John Starks. Dude got hot and would put up good numbers from deep. But when he was off it was awful. Gunn had more awful than on games imo. His 2 pt % was also bad and actually shot .03 better from 2 than he did from 3. lol. 

[iu eyedoc]

Sorry for talking Mike Woodson's deficiencies in the Fire Mike Woodson thread. How rude of me.

[Feathery]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Sorry for talking Mike Woodson's deficiencies in the Fire Mike Woodson thread. How rude of me.

I thought this was the thread to discuss a former poster? We don’t need any woody talk in here. lol

[Chris007]

16 minutes ago, Redcamaro said:

Could we please move this conversation to another thread? You two...SMH!

Yes let's get back to NGW saying everything and doing everything I do on Twitter and getting all the credit for it. 

[Golfman25]

53 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Woodson has put together a nice roster on paper.  I fully expect to enjoy the 25+ win, Big Ten title contender, and NCAA run ahead of us in 2024/25.  That is what should happen with this roster so I don't want to hear any excuse making BS if we don't.

Better get some ear muffs then.  We are still a young team.  And a new team.  And there is still that hump we haven't gotten rid of.  

[Hoosier DaDa]

51 minutes ago, Redcamaro said:

Could we please move this conversation to another thread? You two...SMH!

Yes please 

[iu eyedoc]

38 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Better get some ear muffs then.  We are still a young team.  And a new team.  And there is still that hump we haven't gotten rid of.  

God forbid a player miss any games for injury! I mean that almost never happens to other teams.

[JSHoosier]

11 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

God forbid a player miss any games for injury! I mean that almost never happens to other teams.

Or have new players to integrate.