They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 22,240]

4 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Exactly. And we’re not willing to give a guy 2-3 years to get an unorthodox system instituted and the right personnel in place. Whether it’s Brad, Dusty, or the next door neighbor…you better win and you better do it quickly or the pitchforks come out.

If the fans can see progress is being made and things are getting better they are patient. Crean didn't lose the fans until it was obvious he'd hit his ceiling, and no one complained about his first 3 years. Miller, the writing was on the wall pretty early.

I don't think anyone expects a title or Final Four in year 1 or 2, but the right coach can make a big difference pretty quick.

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6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Exactly. And we’re not willing to give a guy 2-3 years to get an unorthodox system instituted and the right personnel in place. Whether it’s Brad, Dusty, or the next door neighbor…you better win and you better do it quickly or the pitchforks come out.

That’s simply not true, repeating the same 2-3 year claim doesn’t make it so. Many of us, myself included had said all of last season if Woody had any momentum, had landed Fland, kept Liam and maybe Queen he would have deserved a fourth season. He didn’t, lost his only recruit, and seemed completely disinterested in doing what is required to win games in college. It wasn’t simply results. And although the writing was on the wall almost immediately, we were also lead to believe Woody was supposed to be a shorter term bridge to the permanent guy. No one was calling for his head after 2 seasons despite that. 
 

That said, after the last eight years I agree McCollum runs a system we probably wouldn’t like, but the guy wins a ton of basketball games. I didn’t like ArchieBall but believed (incorrectly) if he won big like Bennet, who cares if it’s like watching paint dry. 
 

And for the record I looked it up, there’s only about 60 coaches in all of division 1 that have been at their schools for ten years or longer. 240ish other schools have turned over coaches since 2015. We are not some weird anomaly for firing coaches that don’t win basketball games. 

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5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

Only because we’ve been down this road once too many times since RMK was let go!  It’s a trust thing! Unless it’s Brad Steven’s, or someone else that the majority of the fans approve of, that next coach better win right out of the gate and maintain for at least 3 years, or we will be right back here again or worse!  I think they will lose the fanbase altogether, so the pressure is on and Dolson needs to get it right.  Just my opinion, and Honestly the Mike Woodson hire really soured me and I am sure others feel the way too!

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

And this is why we'll be right back here in 3-4 years doing it all over again.

If we’re right back here in 3-4 years it’ll be because IU hired another crappy basketball coach, not because of my message board posts. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You described it perfectly. Dude is the real deal and has been around forever, but what he does to help IU I'm not sure. He's just the head coaches buddy I think

VP in charge of Ego Stroking.

[AH1971 3,327]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

And for the record I looked it up, there’s only about 60 coaches in all of division 1 that have been at their schools for ten years or longer. 240ish other schools have turned over coaches since 2015. We are not some weird anomaly for firing coaches that don’t win basketball games. 

Don't disagree. That's why IU is pretty much another job these days.

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No spicy rumors yet :/

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4 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Can someone explain why Chris Beard gets so much love while Will Wade does not? Unless I'm missing something, I would think that Wade's issues would be much less concerning than Beard's. And the dude wins everywhere he goes.

To me, Beard is a more proven winner than Wade at the P5 level.  But that’s just my opinion 

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3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Only because we’ve been down this road once too many times since RMK was let go!  It’s a trust thing! Unless it’s Brad Steven’s, or someone else that the majority of the fans approve of, that next coach better win right out of the gate and maintain for at least 3 years, or we will be right back here again or worse!  I think they will lose the fanbase altogether, so the pressure is on and Dolson needs to get it right.  Just my opinion, and Honestly the Mike Woodson hire really soured me and I am sure others feel the way too!

You’re right on the trust thing and who can blame us?  The average poster on the Peegs board has been a lot better on every single hiring and firing we have made since the Knight era than the people running the Indiana administration.

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4 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Can someone explain why Chris Beard gets so much love while Will Wade does not? Unless I'm missing something, I would think that Wade's issues would be much less concerning than Beard's. And the dude wins everywhere he goes.

Because Beard is a better coach than Wade, has a championship game appearance as well as an elite eight.

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If we’re right back here in 3-4 years it’ll be because IU hired another crappy basketball coach, not because of my message board posts. 

Just telling you. Due to the administration's moral superiority, we're going to end up with someone like Ben McCollum or Jerrod Calhoun instead of someone like Chris Beard or Will Wade who you wouldn't have to worry about for the next 15-20 years.

These guys are going to be walking into an absolute powder keg. No P5 experience, never coached having to meet absurd expectations, zero experience recruiting high level players, zero experience managing high level players with egos, etc etc

What do you think is going to happen? I don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every 4-5 years....Oh yeah I do, it's because everybody thinks Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking this job.

Rinse.Wash.Repeat.

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8 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Can someone explain why Chris Beard gets so much love while Will Wade does not? Unless I'm missing something, I would think that Wade's issues would be much less concerning than Beard's. And the dude wins everywhere he goes.

Beard is a more proven coach but with a past that makes him nearly unhirable. Will Wade did what every other successful coach has done (except he got caught) and since he was at a non-basketball school like LSU, they made an example out of him. Wade is 10 years younger, very advanced in working the portal, and is an elite recruiter. 

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Just telling you. Due to the administration's moral superiority, we're going to end up with someone like Ben McCollum or Jerrod Calhoun instead of someone like Chris Beard or Will Wade who you wouldn't have to worry about for the next 15-20 years.

These guys are going to be walking into an absolute powder keg. No P5 experience, never coached having to meet absurd expectations, zero experience recruiting high level players, zero experience managing high level players with egos, etc etc

What do you think is going to happen? I don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every 4-5 years....Oh yeah I do, it's because everybody thinks Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking this job.

Rinse.Wash.Repeat.

These unprepared coaches get hired then fired four years later because ye message board folk think Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking the job?

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3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Because Beard is a better coach than Wade, has a championship game appearance as well as an elite eight.

Yeah I'm not really sure WW belongs on the list

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Just telling you. Due to the administration's moral superiority, we're going to end up with someone like Ben McCollum or Jerrod Calhoun instead of someone like Chris Beard or Will Wade who you wouldn't have to worry about for the next 15-20 years.

These guys are going to be walking into an absolute powder keg. No P5 experience, never coached having to meet absurd expectations, zero experience recruiting high level players, zero experience managing high level players with egos, etc etc

What do you think is going to happen? I don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every 4-5 years....Oh yeah I do, it's because everybody thinks Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking this job.

Rinse.Wash.Repeat.

Who said that I’m shocked? I was against the Mike Woodson trade from day 0. I fully expected to be right back here in four years. And here we are. I expect that we’ll be here again four years from now because IU will make another crappy hire. I’d be fine hiring either Bears or Wade, and I expect whoever we do hire to be worse than either of the two. 

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1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Yeah I'm not really sure WW belongs on the list

He will be soon enough. He's going to kill it in his home state of Tennessee once Barnes retires here in a year or two.

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Just telling you. Due to the administration's moral superiority, we're going to end up with someone like Ben McCollum or Jerrod Calhoun instead of someone like Chris Beard or Will Wade who you wouldn't have to worry about for the next 15-20 years.

These guys are going to be walking into an absolute powder keg. No P5 experience, never coached having to meet absurd expectations, zero experience recruiting high level players, zero experience managing high level players with egos, etc etc

What do you think is going to happen? I don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every 4-5 years....Oh yeah I do, it's because everybody thinks Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking this job.

Rinse.Wash.Repeat.

I don’t think that’s being entirely fair to the Archie hire. That was pretty universally thought to be a home run. His Alma mater was also open or going to open (I don’t remember exactly) but they were big mad we got him. It didn’t work, it happens, but acting like that was taking a flyer on some D2 coach at his first low major job is revisionist history. 

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8 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Because Beard is a better coach than Wade, has a championship game appearance as well as an elite eight.

Wade has a Sweet 16, so it's not like he's never had any March success. And he comes with considerably less baggage.

I get why some would view Beard as a better coach, but if he's a non-starter, then I don't get why there's not more enthusiasm for Wade in the non-Stevens category. He strikes me as a better bet than McCollum, for instance.

[AH1971 3,327]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Who said that I’m shocked? I was against the Mike Woodson trade from day 0. I fully expected to be right back here in four years. And here we are. I expect that we’ll be here again four years from now because IU will make another crappy hire. I’d be fine hiring either Bears or Wade, and I expect whoever we do hire to be worse than either of the two. 

Fair enough

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3 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I don’t think that’s being entirely fair to the Archie hire. That was pretty universally thought to be a home run. His Alma mater was also open or going to open (I don’t remember exactly) but they were big mad we got him. It didn’t work, it happens, but acting like that was taking a flyer on some D2 coach at his first low major job is revisionist history. 

Didn't mind the Archie hire, had the credentials to get the job here. But when the fan base turned on him after losing 12/13 in year 2, I knew it was over for him. Just not many coaches who have the skin to survive something like that...that's why X's and O's is only a fraction of the body of work needed to succeed here. Just not likely to find that kind of acumen when you hire somebody without big boy head coaching experience.