They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[HoosierTrav 7,986]

5 minutes ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

Everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions. 

[TheWatShot 14,556]

5 minutes ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

I'd have a lot more respect if he gave the impression that he was pulling out all the stops to make this program elite again. Maybe he's a different guy behind the scenes, but I have little reason to believe that based on his comments and results. The NBA made him laid-back and lazy. He settles. Like a lot of people his age, he's in retirement mode. 

[Chris007 49,905]

15 minutes ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

Yeah ok but you’re only looking at these players when they were players. Buckner is one of the worst head coaches percentage wise ever. Some say he’s not very good commentator with the Pacers. He’s lived off his name which is ok. 
 

Isiah was a horrible GM, President in the NBA, I think he ran the CBA into the ground. Also remember he coached at FAU which he didn’t have near the success as Dusty. 
 

We just need an administration to actually interview a few coaches to decide who the best candidates are and overpay for someone. 
 

But quit getting guys who think their great without proving they are before hand 

[steubenhoosier 1,292]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah ok but you’re only looking at these players when they were players. Buckner is one of the worst head coaches percentage wise ever. Some say he’s not very good commentator with the Pacers. He’s lived off his name which is ok. 
 

Isiah was a horrible GM, President in the NBA, I think he ran the CBA into the ground. Also remember he coached at FAU which he didn’t have near the success as Dusty. 
 

We just need an administration to actually interview a few coaches to decide who the best candidates are and overpay for someone. 
 

But quit getting guys who think their great without proving they are before hand 

Agree somewhat. But Dusty hasn’t really proven anything and he seems to be the darling of the board.

One run in the tournament is not enough to make him the guy 

[cbp4iu 1,838]

Big Ten was not good this year… This tourney is showing how down it was. IU has major ground to make to catch up to get back to even like a 6 seed.

[Golfman25 6,020]

1 minute ago, steubenhoosier said:

Agree somewhat. But Dusty hasn’t really proven anything and he seems to be the darling of the board.

One run in the tournament is not enough to make him the guy 

Better than zero runs in the tournament, which is what we have now. 

[Golfman25 6,020]

Just now, cbp4iu said:

Big Ten was not good this year… This tourney is showing how down it was. IU has major ground to make to catch up to get back to even like a 6 seed.

They just showed a stat — they are like 4-1 right now.  With Pac and ACC for the best three conferences in the tournament. 

[Napleshoosier 10,588]

10:55pm on Friday night and I say fire his @$$!

[HoosierHoopster 7,348]

45 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Miller coached at a school you could win at not FAU. That’s the difference. Dusty is not Archie. We’re about to see At Louisville 

We don’t know the difference- that could be why we’re about to see. Bottom line, i’m not interested in another roll of the dice

[Chris007 49,905]

2 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Agree somewhat. But Dusty hasn’t really proven anything and he seems to be the darling of the board.

One run in the tournament is not enough to make him the guy 

I love Dusty because we were friends at IU. But I understand what you’re saying. But he’ had a plan at FAU, he lives basketball and he not antisocial like Archie. Plus I like his style. But he’s not a sure thing and understand concerns

[Chris007 49,905]

3 minutes ago, cbp4iu said:

Big Ten was not good this year… This tourney is showing how down it was. IU has major ground to make to catch up to get back to even like a 6 seed.

Aren’t we 5-1 so far?

[HoosierHoopster 7,348]

2 hours ago, 8bucks said:

I worry more about our administration baggage more than any ncaa baggage he may have. 

Well, they’re both kind of in play lol

[Chris007 49,905]

3 minutes ago, Napleshoosier said:

10:55pm on Friday night and I say fire his @$$!

I’m coming to Naples to stay with you. :-)

[steubenhoosier 1,292]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Aren’t we 5-1 so far?

4-1 and Wisconsin is getting schooled 

[HoosierHoopster 7,348]

1 hour ago, Deserthoozier said:

Agree! Is there really still anything that qualifies as NCAA rules ‘baggage’ anymore?

UNC - fake classes for 20 years -lawyered up, zero penalty. Dean and Roy HOF coaches lauded by everyone. Nike has been kicking them EYBL players and related $$$ since the club league existed.

KU - payed top $$$ for talent, for like ever — completely exposed and in cahoots w/triple stripe, lawyered up won. Assistant pays a fine, or went to jail. Where has triple stripe been landing us some dudes if we’re one of their best? ok don’t answer, but it certainly wasn’t close to what they did for KU). KU literally then sued  adidas for ‘tampering’ and a month latter adidas re-signed them w/ over $100M contract. lol! Multiple sexual assault charges in the bball dorm, multiple yrs - swept under the rug. Self = HOF and lauded as one of the greatest.

MSU - Izzo buried a bunch of sexual assault/rape charges - certainly was competitive in the pre-NIL $$. Lauded as Mr. March and the best in the Big. Future HOF.

Duke - systemically best institutional hidden under the table pay for play school in history (ok UK and KU arguably right there). K - viewed as Mr. clean, lauded as best coach ever.

Alabama - Brandon Miller was textbook definition of accessory to MURDER ffs!! Teammate texted him along the lines of  ‘things are getting hot, bring me my joint,  there’s one in the chamber’. He drove the gun to the scene where his teammate grabbed it and killed a young mom. Tuscaloosa PD gave him a pass - no charges — Nate Oats didn’t sit him a single game..explained it as ‘wrong place, wrong time’. miller 2nd pick in draft, Oats viewed as one of the top 5 coaches in the country.

Could fill 1000 pages with sooo many other examples. 

The real NCAA rules are aggressively fight any charges, privately, publicly and all around - run out the clock and or create enough pressure to for them to give up..or in the worst case take a penalty - typically only pulling coach for a cupcake game or two. 

Do I like, or even respect this? Absolutely not! But, it’s the pragmatics of being successful in college (really professional) sports.

Pearl had an unauthorized bbq, and had the rifleman mildly involved in the fbi scandal I think. Child’s play. He’s not my #1, but he’s pretty good and I’d take almost anything over having to suffer through Woody’s system, attitude , ineptitude and excuses for another year watching the program further burn. Also realize the chance a change is made is negligible.
 

Oh yeah - fire Mike Woodson. 

But none of this matters. We’re not UNC or thank God MSU, or KU etc. it’s IU. You don’t have to agree with the administration (I don’t), but hey, you’re not making any decisions for IU.

UNC - entirely fake classes, a gross embarrassment. We dont have to be and absolutely shouldn’t be like UNC as a “program”. But of course the administration needs to change— that doesn’t mean it has or that there is any actual sign IU would hire Peal. I’m not into fantasy

[Chris007 49,905]

I think if we’re in this position next season I would take a look at Bryce Drew. He recruited well at Vandy, plus has our NIL

[ap2345 9,303]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think if we’re in this position next season I would take a look at Bryce Drew. He recruited well at Vandy, plus has our NIL

Plus he runs NBA practices or something like that 

[Chris007 49,905]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Plus he runs NBA practices or something like that 

I laugh too but his dad was a Hall of Fame coach and so his brother. Maybe he took a bad job too early like Vanderbilt. 

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

This has been really comical to me. The angst, the gnashing of teeth, the doomsday predictions. On top of that, the trashing of legendary IU basketball players who have done the work to actually accomplish something. Let's start with Quinn Buckner. He was the point guard on the last undefeated national championship team. Arguably the best college basketball team ever. Nothing but respect from me. I've seen shots taken at I. Thomas. One of the best point guards ever and the reason that '81 banner is hanging in Assembly Hall. Maybe CMW is not the guy who brings IU back to national prominence. But he was an outstanding player and he deserves respect for that. I truly don't understand the mentality of fans in the social media era. Admittedly, I'm one of the old guys. I go back to Branch McCracken. I've seen IU basketball at best and at its worst. If we ever want to right this ship, it needs to start with respecting those who built the legacy, not making fun of them. CBK was lightning in a bottle. We've been though several coaches since and none have measured up to our standards. Maybe the problem is us. Just my unsolicited opinion. Flame away, at this point I don't care.

Yes. Buckner was great in 1972-76. Woodson was pretty good in 1976-80. But neither of them have done anything worthy of respect relative to Indiana University and the IU men's basketball program since they left school. Buckner forced Woodson on this program as coach three years ago because Woodson's panties were in a wad when IU hired Archie Miller as coach. Miller was an up-and-coming mid-major coach who was hired over the absolutely unqualified Woodson. 

I've been watching IU basketball since 1973. I've seen the good and I've seen the bad. Where we are now is the worst that it has been. We're saddled with an unept, unqualified and lazy man in the coach's seat. For God's sake, he had to be told by Scott Dolson to go watch a top "recruit" play in his sectional game. He has ZERO recruits signed for 2024 and beyond.

I don't need to be told who I should respect. These two (Buckner and Woodson) are working hard to trash what little good will and legacy they have left with the shenanigans that are going on at Indiana today. Mike Woodson has not done his job despite what he will tell you. And Buckner is protecting and enabling him while causing the Indiana men's basketball program to spiral downwards and out of control.

You are entitled to your option, as am I. I just happen to not agree with your assessment.

[cbp4iu 1,838]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think if we’re in this position next season I would take a look at Bryce Drew. He recruited well at Vandy, plus has our NIL

Bryce Drew would be solid. I think he could recruit the state. Maybe just because I’m so desperate for scoring If Pat Kelsey doesn’t leave Charleston and has 1 more good year I think he would be interesting.