They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971 2,412]

1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

It is amazing how much power our fan base has over a coach’s ability to win. Prayers couldn’t even save Archie from the the demonic fans.

Our own worst enemy 

[AZ Hoosier 9,860]

Just now, IUFAN1976 said:

You and I are one of the few that have had the opportunity and satisfaction to witness 3 National Championships, probably only Old Fart has witnessed more, lol!   I agree with this, I try not to watch Turdue, but they play the way I would love to see IU teams play, with a freaking identity of physical and mental toughness, working hard and with great basketball IQ and fundamentals.  And we ain’t talking about an ex-IU guy but a coach that conveys that what our culture and identity is!

Agreed. I, too, was fortunate enough to witness Bob Knight's glory years in the early '70s through the mid '90s...through the years, Knight and Keady battled each other, but both taught the game, developed young boys into men who understood a lot about doing your job, doing it the right way and just flat working hard. Sadly, the farm school up north has continued that work in the person of Matt Painter, and Indiana has floundered with clowns and incompetence.

It's pretty depressing, actually, and even more so that the clown leading the program today was a product of Knight's mentoring.

[VFury 543]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Matt Painter had his worst 4 year stretch chasing “stars”. Missed two straight tournaments and lost in the first round in excruciating fashion the next two years. And instead of kicking him to the curb, he got support and was given time to change his approach and the rest is history.

We would have torn Painter to shreds if he were at IU had didn't do anything with Hummel and then proceeded to miss a couple tournaments in a row. We essentially were at the same impasse with Crean, and we booted him out before he got the chance to change.

[Chris007 58,647]

Seems a little weird in here today. 

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,870]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

The sting happened the year prior. The news broke just before that season happened. 

I don’t feel like that was a hard question. A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Shooter 575]

3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Exactly, instead of a freaking coach who just wants to recruit the highest ranked players by throwing money at them like Woodson has, recruit players to your system, culture and identity you want to play, even role players because every good teams have role players and they accept their roles

Yep. After I typed that about Painter, I realized it is equally true for Curt Cignetti.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 minute ago, VFury said:

Look, we could either cling to the past and try desperately to bring back something that hasn't existed for a generation, or look to the future and put together the best possible program in the modern era. This thought process is why IU has sucked the better part of 25 years.

No it isn’t, we’ve gotten away from it during the Mike Davis era.  But it exactly works for Turdue, don’t you agree?

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,870]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Our own worst enemy 

Damn. The first rule that all of the drug dealers Sampson recruited taught me is to not get high off your own supply. You may want to take that advice.

[Home Jersey 13,559]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Seems a little weird in here today. 

We are reaching jet speed levels of posting because of the anticipation for this a$$ whooping tonight

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

Yep. After I typed that about Painter, I realized it is equally true for Curt Cignetti.

Exactly, it’s not about the past, it’s about your system and how you want your players to play.  

[go iu bb 8,200]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Nothing to do with Mike Woodson.

Than maybe it shouldn't be in the Woodson thread.

[AH1971 2,412]

Just now, go iu bb said:

Than maybe it shouldn't be in the Woodson thread.

Don’t read it and then certainly don’t respond to it.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

6 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Agreed. I, too, was fortunate enough to witness Bob Knight's glory years in the early '70s through the mid '90s...through the years, Knight and Keady battled each other, but both taught the game, developed young boys into men who understood a lot about doing your job, doing it the right way and just flat working hard. Sadly, the farm school up north has continued that work in the person of Matt Painter, and Indiana has floundered with clowns and incompetence.

It's pretty depressing, actually, and even more so that the clown leading the program today was a product of Knight's mentoring.

There’s a few of us on the same page, but others say we are living in the past but Turdue isn’t past, it’s the present.  

[Mopladysman 1,045]

In other news..  we did Purdue a favor by beating their @$$ so they could get a new coach.  Time for them to return the favor.

fire Mike Woodson 

[Chris007 58,647]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

We are reaching jet speed levels of posting because of the anticipation for this a$$ whooping tonight

Brad Brownell

Will Wade 

and a bunch of others 

[Scotty R 3,099]

6 minutes ago, VFury said:

Look, we could either cling to the past and try desperately to bring back something that hasn't existed for a generation, or look to the future and put together the best possible program in the modern era. This thought process is why IU has sucked the better part of 25 years.

Why we sucked is that we went away from what made IU great. A culture and foundation of a program built on hard work, toughness and playing as a team. We went away from our recruiting strategies and tried to go the route of getting the highest rated players as possible. It use to be about evaluating and developing players and now it is about paying the most money for entitled players.

It is time to go back to what made IU great and that is get a hard nosed coach who will instill a culture built around the team and not individuals. It is time to go back to recruiting our hot bed area and getting the very best of Indiana high school players then going out from Indiana. It is time to go back to having the whole being greater than it's parts and build a program and not a team.

[VFury 543]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

There’s a few of us on the same page, but others say we are living in the past but Turdue isn’t past, it’s the present.  

Matt Painter is a very forward thinking coach, the fact he's an alum is just a happy coincidence. Also, he coached 12 years before advancing past the sweet 16 and completely bottomed out for 2 years. we would have fired him long before he became as successful as he has been.

[Scotty R 3,099]

12 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Our own worst enemy 

I have figured out that you are IndianaResident16 over on HSN

[Golfman25 6,325]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Will Wade's teams have finished in the top 25 exactly ONCE.  

There is a reason that Chris Beard's transgressions only dropped him a lower power 5 team and Will Wade's dropped him into a low major.  The funny thing that AH thinks the world of Will Wade but guess who didn't come calling for Will Wade when their spots opened up last off-season?  Drake didn't.  St.Louis didn't.  Wade sure as heck isn't going to have his next stop be a high major.

I make no comment regarding Beard or Wade.  I just wouldn't disqualify someone who violated some BS NCAA rule 10 years ago that no longer exists.  They would still have to fit the university, have a winning basketball record, etc.  

[go iu bb 8,200]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Don’t read it and then certainly don’t respond to it.

Or you could just post it in the appropriate thread. I suppose that may be too complicated.