Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017 22,028]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'd push back against the "team is filled with mercenaries who came/stayed for a check" narrative.

Basketball is the chosen career of these kids, but many of them; Leal, Galloway, Goode, Hatton came or stayed because they have a special connection with IU. Newton stayed because this staff has stood by him through some extreme adversity. Hell, Dallas James was offered and is at IU for a year not because of NIL, but because he has a chance to advance academically and sit on a P5 bench, all possible because of his dad's connection to Woody; not because of NIL.

And yes, someone like Myles Rice or Kanaan Carlyle wanted NIL, but neither of them visited or really considered other schools; they weren't exactly 'open to the highest bidder'. 

Is NIL a real part of the landscape? For sure. Does IUBB have a lucrative NIL payout that is part of the consideration for our team? Yes. But that is true for many, many places and we are no different, better, nor worse than the landscape in general.

We have 8 guys who play at least 15 mpg: Ballo, Reneau, Mgbako, Rice, Galloway, Goode, Tucker, and Carylyle. Really only Galloway and Goode fit that bill, and Goode has only been on the team for a few months. Leal plays some too  I don’t want to sidetrack the conversation, but I’m just not a fan. 

Maybe it’s because I’m older now, maybe it’s because I don’t live in Indiana anymore, maybe it’s due to the transfer portal. I don’t know. But I really just don’t feel any connection. It used to feel like these are guys playing for my school. Now it just largely feels like a random group of dudes wearing IU jerseys. 7 of the 13 scholarship players this year are new, and 6 of them are transfers. Before we’d follow these guys in high school recruiting for a year or two before they’d get to campus. Now IU doesn’t really do high school recruiting and then we find out in April who will be on the team the following year. It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

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27 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

I think with Scott bringing in tens of millions of extra revenue with the FB success and all the great exposure he got the whole university, he is now at the wheel and not lame duck Quinn.  Scott produces results, Quinn doesn’t and he is departing.

I just don’t have faith in the IU system valuing results and outcomes over stakeholder sentiment and “optics” … 

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

Your entire post was well-stated, but this is the well-stated bottom line. Agreed.

[Chris007 46,161]

26 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

That's true it's the same thing with all schools.

I feel like I have a connection with Leal, Trey and Goode all being from Indiana. A connection with Ballo because we both like to eat and go to bars, and a connection with Rice because we all know someone who has gone through cancer. My son has hung out with Tucker some since their both freshman and has said he's a really good dude. 

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3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Curious if the people who think he will be back next year have been to a game in Assembly Hall this year?  There is more to it than wins and losses.  The program has no juice right now. I would hope that Dolson sees this with his own eyes and regardless of if IU makes a 68 field tournament they move on because it’s definitely in the best interest of the program.   When my wife and kids  are  pointing out that there is a different feel in the building you know the program is in a bad spot.   Curious if others that go frequently feel the same bad vibes that I felt last night 

Program is in a bad spot right now because Atlantis crushed our hopes and dreams. The prognosis of Woody coming back is based on the 10-12 win, make the tourney scenario.  Right now it's hurry up and wait, play some cupcakes and bottom of BIG teams.   Season really starts Saturday at Iowa and gets more difficult from there.  IF they continue to win, you'll see some mojo pick up around the program.  IF not, look out below.  

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

That's true it's the same thing with all schools.

I feel like I have a connection with Leal, Trey and Goode all being from Indiana. A connection with Ballo because we both like to eat and go to bars, and a connection with Rice because we all know someone who has gone through cancer. My son has hung out with Tucker some since their both freshman and has said he's a really good dude. 

Based on this post, damn near all of us have a connection to Ballo.

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on this post, damn near all of us have a connection to Ballo.

Deandre Thomas was my all-time favorite, Indiana player.

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I feel a very strong connection to Mackenzie Mgbako. Who do you guys think taught him how to cuss out Taco Bell workers at the drive thru in the early hours of the morning? 

[Pagoda 1,015]

58 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I just don’t have faith in the IU system valuing results and outcomes over stakeholder sentiment and “optics” … 

I don't blame you.  For my own sanity, I've got to hold out hope for something, and that is Scott running things and getting the next hire right.  But yea, we have a lot of idiot stakeholders running around and who knows what they might do.

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19 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I feel a very strong connection to Mackenzie Mgbako. Who do you guys think taught him how to cuss out Taco Bell workers at the drive thru in the early hours of the morning? 

That's most emotion He may have shown since being here.  Maybe we should put a picture of Taco Bell on the ball, and he will be more aggressive to it.  He has all the skills and tools but man he has no motor to get after it that I can see.

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How many tacos can he eat?

[68Hoosier 657]

2 minutes ago, TTT said:

How many tacos can he eat?

Depends how big they are :/

[Scotty R 2,320]

4 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Curious if the people who think he will be back next year have been to a game in Assembly Hall this year?  There is more to it than wins and losses.  The program has no juice right now. I would hope that Dolson sees this with his own eyes and regardless of if IU makes a 68 field tournament they move on because it’s definitely in the best interest of the program.   When my wife and kids  are  pointing out that there is a different feel in the building you know the program is in a bad spot.   Curious if others that go frequently feel the same bad vibes that I felt last night 

Even watching the game you can tell AH is not rocking like it usually does. Probably some of that can be attributed to no students but not all of it

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We have 8 guys who play at least 15 mpg: Ballo, Reneau, Mgbako, Rice, Galloway, Goode, Tucker, and Carylyle. Really only Galloway and Goode fit that bill, and Goode has only been on the team for a few months. Leal plays some too  I don’t want to sidetrack the conversation, but I’m just not a fan. 

Maybe it’s because I’m older now, maybe it’s because I don’t live in Indiana anymore, maybe it’s due to the transfer portal. I don’t know. But I really just don’t feel any connection. It used to feel like these are guys playing for my school. Now it just largely feels like a random group of dudes wearing IU jerseys. 7 of the 13 scholarship players this year are new, and 6 of them are transfers. Before we’d follow these guys in high school recruiting for a year or two before they’d get to campus. Now IU doesn’t really do high school recruiting and then we find out in April who will be on the team the following year. It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

Welcome to college sports in 2025

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We have 8 guys who play at least 15 mpg: Ballo, Reneau, Mgbako, Rice, Galloway, Goode, Tucker, and Carylyle. Really only Galloway and Goode fit that bill, and Goode has only been on the team for a few months. Leal plays some too  I don’t want to sidetrack the conversation, but I’m just not a fan. 

Maybe it’s because I’m older now, maybe it’s because I don’t live in Indiana anymore, maybe it’s due to the transfer portal. I don’t know. But I really just don’t feel any connection. It used to feel like these are guys playing for my school. Now it just largely feels like a random group of dudes wearing IU jerseys. 7 of the 13 scholarship players this year are new, and 6 of them are transfers. Before we’d follow these guys in high school recruiting for a year or two before they’d get to campus. Now IU doesn’t really do high school recruiting and then we find out in April who will be on the team the following year. It’s not just an IU problem, but I don’t like it. 

Can you imagine how the old timers felt winning the title in ‘87 with guys like Dean Garrett and Keith Smart? Smart even got the last shot! Disgusting…and personally I don’t really count ‘87 as a true title.   
 

I’m being facetious (obviously).  I kind of feel like you do, but then I remind my self it’s simply entertainment. My bigger problem with this team is that they aren’t very good and thus not very entertaining! I have a feeling if we were undefeated and ranked number 1 we’d all feel a stronger connection to Rice, Goode, etc…

[Uspshoosier 46,554]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Program is in a bad spot right now because Atlantis crushed our hopes and dreams. The prognosis of Woody coming back is based on the 10-12 win, make the tourney scenario.  Right now it's hurry up and wait, play some cupcakes and bottom of BIG teams.   Season really starts Saturday at Iowa and gets more difficult from there.  IF they continue to win, you'll see some mojo pick up around the program.  IF not, look out below.  

I hear you however  I thinks it’s past the point of winning will pick it back up.  Even if he wins too many red flags for him being the coach past this year.   I don’t run down through the list with winning on the court being the least important.  I disagree with the season starting on Saturday. It started after the Bahamas.  Call them cupcakes or bottom of the B1G however they still had to go out and win those games.   I could argue I would want some of those conference games against the bottom  sprinkled in between this 11 game Q1 stretch.   My argument is that he should be gone regardless of how the rest of the season plays out.  15-5, 18-2, 5-15, 10-10 doesn’t matter to me how this seasons ends for me and this is just my opinion it’s time for a new leader to give life to the program.  If I’m wrong and he somehow is back then I guess I will deal with that when the time comes 

[TheWatShot 14,304]

It would be incredibly irresponsible to retain a 67 year old coach who isn't actively recruiting anymore and is routinely skipping out on media sessions. The head coach at IU simply cannot be invisible to the public eye. It needs to be made clear to Woodson (if it hasn't already) that if he wants this job, he needs to put forth a lot more effort in these areas. 

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3 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

It would be incredibly irresponsible to retain a 67 year old coach who isn't actively recruiting anymore and is routinely skipping out on media sessions. The head coach at IU simply cannot be invisible to the public eye. It needs to be made clear to Woodson (if it hasn't already) that if he wants this job, he needs to put forth a lot more effort in these areas. 

Most coaches who need to be reminded to put in effort normally don’t last too long.

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37 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Can you imagine how the old timers felt winning the title in ‘87 with guys like Dean Garrett and Keith Smart? Smart even got the last shot! Disgusting…and personally I don’t really count ‘87 as a true title.   
 

I’m being facetious (obviously).  I kind of feel like you do, but then I remind my self it’s simply entertainment. My bigger problem with this team is that they aren’t very good and thus not very entertaining! I have a feeling if we were undefeated and ranked number 1 we’d all feel a stronger connection to Rice, Goode, etc…

The aura and personality of the coach has a lot to do with it IMO.  Bobby was still on Mount Olympus in 1987 but I know I began to become less interested in following the program when his teams began to tail off and his antics grew tiresome.  The Davis and Sampson years have been deleted from my memory bank.  Crean's personality absolutely drove me crazy.  Archie had no personality.  Woody has cigars and wine and nothing else.  I'm hopeful our next coach (in the '25-'26 season) will have a public persona and aura very much similar to what Coach Cig has brought to IU football.   Look how we've embraced a number of players on our football team.  That would not be the case had we been our historically suck the hind t... football program.

[Hornsby 2,316]

It would be incredibly irresponsible to retain a 67 year old coach who isn't actively recruiting anymore and is routinely skipping out on media sessions. The head coach at IU simply cannot be invisible to the public eye. It needs to be made clear to Woodson (if it hasn't already) that if he wants this job, he needs to put forth a lot more effort in these areas. 

In theory yes but you don't normally give six million dollars to a guy you are pushing out the door after the season. I think he has alot more donor support still than many people think. And if he wins 12 big ten games I'm guessing they will be happy.

 

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