Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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42 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Not saying he could win at IU.  I just had high hopes.  Just because you can win or not win at a stop doesn't tell the whole story.   If winning is all we looked at then Archie was the man.  But he couldn't win at IU.  I think there are multiple parts of the puzzle that need to fit and right now our administration is a round peg in a square hole along with our coaching staff that is missing an edge piece even before we get started.

 

Plus, Fife got more experience under Izzo after not succeeding at IPFW.  Nothing wrong with more training to get better so who knows. 

He inherited like a 7 win team that was relatively new to division one.  He had a winning record his last two season there.  I actually thought he was successful in that regard. 

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15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

My annual for fun list and it's certainly not all-inclusive and I certainly don't mean to imply that every name on this list is a viable candidate.  Far from it.  Personal opinion is our next coach will be under the age of 55.

 

	Age @ 1/25
Pitino, Rick	72
Barnes	70
Izzo	69
Sampson	69
Calipari	65
McCaffery	65
Pearl	64
Few	62
Marshall	61
Self	62
Matta	57
Miller, Sean	56
Bennett	55
Mack	55
Davis, H.	54
Gard	54
Painter	54
Cronin	53
Holtmann	53
Hurley, B.	53
Hurley, D.	52
Beard	51
Oats	50
May	48
Shrewsberry	48
Otzelberger	47
Smart	47
Miller, Archie	46
McCollum	43
Wade	42
Pitino, Richard	42
Scheyer	37
IU Guys
Alford	60
Chaney	53
Lewis	47
Other
Donovan	59
Stevens	48

Any chance Self might be in play?  Not sure if the Big 12 will have as much pull as the SEC or the BT and maybe to keep up in the arms race he makes a move?  I know Adidas keep him in a good spot but just wondered.

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10 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Any chance Self might be in play?  Not sure if the Big 12 will have as much pull as the SEC or the BT and maybe to keep up in the arms race he makes a move?  I know Adidas keep him in a good spot but just wondered.

No - Self will not be an option. That is a pretty long list and many on it are 100% not options. In fact, the first 11 listed have quite literally a collective zero percent chance of being the next head basketball coach at Indiana.

On the other hand, even though that's a long list, there are potential options that are not on that list. For instance, I would imagine that if things broke in certain ways Luke Murray from UConn could be an option, as I'd imagine Wes Miller or even Schertz could be an option.

I am also quite sure that Scott Dolson will not make a change to win the initial press conference; it will be with the intention of making the best hire for the extended future. As @Uspshoosier has so well stated, we need to look for a successful college basketball lifer. If it's a relatively young college basketball lifer that would be even better.

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15 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Not swimming? Their monster transfer class this year seems to indicate they got pretty good NIL.

Not sure why this was funny, @Chris007. It's consistently one of the best programs IU has with a ton of tradition and swimmers that medal in the Olympics. Very good chance for the men to win the national championship this year. Definitely better money spent than a sport like volleyball.

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I want to reiterate the coach list I posted yesterday was NOT meant to be a list of candidates for the IU job but purely a point of reference for the age distribution of the coaching fraternity.  

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11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

On the other hand, even though that's a long list, there are potential options that are not on that list. For instance, I would imagine that if things broke in certain ways Luke Murray from UConn could be an option, as I'd imagine Wes Miller or even Schertz could be an option.

 

I have a difficult time believing we'd ever look at an assistant, but if we can get this guy roaming the stands at SSAH, I'm all for it!!!

The Woody years have pretty much made us irrelevant, but this would get us some attention. LOL. 

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I have a difficult time believing we'd ever look at an assistant, but if we can get this guy roaming the stands at SSAH, I'm all for it!!!

The Woody years have pretty much made us irrelevant, but this would get us some attention. LOL. 

Why look anywhere else we already got a king.

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13 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Not sure why this was funny, @Chris007. It's consistently one of the best programs IU has with a ton of tradition and swimmers that medal in the Olympics. Very good chance for the men to win the national championship this year. Definitely better money spent than a sport like volleyball.

Revenue, revenue, revenue

 

The tens of people that attend swimming meets dwarf in comparison to volleyball attendance.

The athletes outnumber the fans nearly 2 to 1

 

Volleyball is a rising sport that actually is getting TV time.

 

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There is a scenario that I don't think has been mentioned.  Certainly speculative, but isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.  That scenario is that all parties have already agreed on Woody's exit and how it will be handled.  Could explain why Woody and the staff have appeared even more lackadaisical than before.

This is a Recruiting Period which means  "Authorized athletics department staff may make in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations".  That visit to LaLu doesn't count because Sisley has already verballed to IU.  Walsh had been very active in IN, OH and KY.  Haven't heard a peep about him having any contacts with potential recruits or Ya or Rosemond.  

At 12/31/23, we had extended offers to 35 kids for the '25 class.  At 12/31/24, we had extended offers to 15 kids for the '26 class and only 3 were extended after 9/1/24.  Our most recent offers have been '25 attempts to give Trent Sisley some company in the '25 class.

Again, purely speculative but food for thought.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

It is extremely telling that three years after Woody let Fife go, no college team has picked him up. 

He's had opportunities but is happy were he's at right now. Also neither Schertz and or Miller will be the next coach. 

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8 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

There is a scenario that I don't think has been mentioned.  Certainly speculative, but isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.  That scenario is that all parties have already agreed on Woody's exit and how it will be handled.  Could explain why Woody and the staff have appeared even more lackadaisical than before.

This is a Recruiting Period which means  "Authorized athletics department staff may make in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations".  That visit to LaLu doesn't count because Sisley has already verballed to IU.  Walsh had been very active in IN, OH and KY.  Haven't heard a peep about him having any contacts with potential recruits or Ya or Rosemond.  

At 12/31/23, we had extended offers to 35 kids for the '25 class.  At 12/31/24, we had extended offers to 15 kids for the '26 class and only 3 were extended after 9/1/24.  Our most recent offers have been '25 attempts to give Trent Sisley some company in the '25 class.

Again, purely speculative but food for thought.

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1 hour ago, 68Hoosier said:

So, if your boss does something you don't agree with your quitting?  No matter if it hurts you or your family.

If we cover up rape? lol 

Yeah, I'm moving on. 

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There is a scenario that I don't think has been mentioned.  Certainly speculative, but isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.  That scenario is that all parties have already agreed on Woody's exit and how it will be handled.  Could explain why Woody and the staff have appeared even more lackadaisical than before.
This is a Recruiting Period which means  "Authorized athletics department staff may make in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations".  That visit to LaLu doesn't count because Sisley has already verballed to IU.  Walsh had been very active in IN, OH and KY.  Haven't heard a peep about him having any contacts with potential recruits or Ya or Rosemond.  
At 12/31/23, we had extended offers to 35 kids for the '25 class.  At 12/31/24, we had extended offers to 15 kids for the '26 class and only 3 were extended after 9/1/24.  Our most recent offers have been '25 attempts to give Trent Sisley some company in the '25 class.
Again, purely speculative but food for thought.

Gotta wait for that 8 million dollar check from the cooks and Simon's before you can recruit for a few weeks.

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37 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Not sure why this was funny, @Chris007. It's consistently one of the best programs IU has with a ton of tradition and swimmers that medal in the Olympics. Very good chance for the men to win the national championship this year. Definitely better money spent than a sport like volleyball.

Oh I'm sure the top swimmers get some money but no one on campus or in town are going to watch meets. They don't draw crowds and bring in any money. VB has 5K people there a match. 

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Oh I'm sure the top swimmers get some money but no one on campus or in town are going to watch meets. They don't draw crowds and bring in any money. VB has 5K people there a match. 

It’s also about what the competition is going. If nobody else is paying swimmers then why would we 

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Just now, Brass Cannon said:

It’s also about what the competition is going. If nobody else is paying swimmers then why would we 

Except they are getting paid. Not life changing money like some basketball and football players, but they're getting paid.

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Oh I'm sure the top swimmers get some money but no one on campus or in town are going to watch meets. They don't draw crowds and bring in any money. VB has 5K people there a match. 

Swimming brings recognition to the university than VB does since it's one of the more popular Olympic sports. I'm sure a lot more people have heard of Lilly King than any volleyball player. The school they attend(ed) is often discussed by announcers and athletes.

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29 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Volleyball is a rising sport that actually is getting TV time.

I saw Nebraska VB actually turned a small profit, which is pretty amazing.  As people have noted our VB crowds have been improving as well, we may not be turning a profit but Wilkinson is nice facility.

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Just now, go iu bb said:

Except they are getting paid. Not life changing money like some basketball and football players, but they're getting paid.

Swimming brings recognition to the university than VB does since it's one of the more popular Olympic sports. I'm sure a lot more people have heard of Lilly King than any volleyball player. The school they attend(ed) is often discussed by announcers and athletes.

And we are probably paying more than anybody else.