Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[coonhounds 9,211]

I know this is the fire mike thread but won't there potentially be way better players in the portal after ncaa tournament? Maybe we been talking to some elite guards telling them were going to pay huge after their done? Pipe dream?

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[coonhounds 9,211]

Odds this staff puts together a top 25 roster for preseason?

7%

Odds this staff finishes the season in the top 25?

1%

And more or less, this is their expectation.


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Yea that pissed me off when Mike said he didn't want to be sitting here next year not in the tournament! I am like dude I don't just want you in the tournament you better be a top 10 team with a legit chance to win it! Especially if your just trying to buy your team Rather than build it! Da he'll is he talking about

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[IUFAN1976 3,412]

13 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Team definitely needs a rim protector in the portal. He doesn’t need to play 30 mpg alongside Reneau however.

Those two should not play together but if they do only about 5-7 minutes a game.  If Mgbako comes back, he should be the 4, IMO

[Golfman25 5,708]

29 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

Mediocre  Mike isn't Jay Wright.  :)  

[AKHoosier 7,030]

Mike Woodson has forced himself into the position of having to put together a bubble team right now. 

An 18-13 team losing its best player and senior point guard is not going to sniff the top 25 next season, at least not with our coach at the end of the bench. 

[Golfman25 5,708]

30 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

He will basically need three of the top 25 portal guys. Piece of cake for the nba legend.

 

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Has never happened in the portal era.  Best that has been done is 3 players from the top 50.  

[IUFAN1976 3,412]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

MR is a decent player but he is a foul machine. Losing ware is like losing tjd almost. Trying to replace him is going o be an almost impossible task.

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But we seem to play faster and better when we only had one big on the floor, the ball didn’t stick

[Hornsby 2,184]

Has never happened in the portal era.  Best that has been done is 3 players from the top 50.  

Correct. He is going to be able to do it

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[AZ Hoosier 7,543]

Well if they get desperate enough they could way overpay for one if they wanted. Make a guy an offer they can’t refuse 

After all, it ain’t Woodson’s money.

[IUFAN1976 3,412]

53 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

Exactly, I sort of said that in one of my recent posts above 

[Golfman25 5,708]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Correct. He is going to be able to do it

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Of course he is, because if he's anything it's an innovator.  :)  

[str8baller 5,474]

27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Houston doesn’t play a single person over 6’8 and Iowa St has one 6’10 kid who comes off the bench. Easily the two best defensive teams in the country. Their guards are elite defenders and rebound exceptionally well.

It’s because “protecting the rim” is cope for bad defensive coaches who don’t know how to keep people out of the lane or teach position basketball. 
 

You won’t need a rim protector if your defense didn’t allow so many players to get to the rim.

[cbp4iu 1,561]

24 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Odds this staff puts together a top 25 roster for preseason?

7%

Odds this staff finishes the season in the top 25?

1%

And more or less, this is their expectation.


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Woodson needs 

3/4 starters (Mgbako leaves)

3 quality pieces on the bench that fill roles. 
 
that’s sounds like a lot.

a core of
Mgbako Reneau isn’t a bad start…, But still a huge climb

[ap2345 8,065]

3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

After all, it ain’t Woodson’s money.

They’ve made Gillespie his largest offer supposedly to this point so we’ll see what happens there. 

[Shooter 394]

10 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Those two should not play together but if they do only about 5-7 minutes a game.  If Mgbako comes back, he should be the 4, IMO

Purdue is a good example. They start two bigs, Edey and Kaufmann-Renn. But:

1. They are surrounded by three guards who shoot it well, and

2. They stagger minutes, so while they do start together, they both see a lot of time at center along a "stretch 4" in Gillis

[AZ Hoosier 7,543]

I don’t think people are advocating for another I bc they want it beyond depth. It’s that they expect it to happen and I believe Rabby said a week ago or so they wanted to get a run protector in the portal. 

The issue with Malik is that pesky rule about disqualifying a player after the 5th personal foul.

[IUFAN1976 3,412]

45 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Well if they get desperate enough they could way overpay for one if they wanted. Make a guy an offer they can’t refuse 

$6 million it is, that might just get us that one quality guard that really didn’t want to come here in the first place but he just maybe the one to get us over the hump

[AH1971 1,549]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Has never happened in the portal era.  Best that has been done is 3 players from the top 50.  

Again, don’t need 3 top 50 or whatever barometer you’re using.

-Fully expect an upperclassman Reneau to be an all-B10 caliber performer, especially offensively.

-it’s natural to expect MM to take a big leap and become a go to threat

-offer Javon Small, Ryan Conwell, and Jalen Blackmon whatever they want and take commitments from the first two. That becomes your starting backcourt. All three would be even better and allow you to bring Galloway off the bench 
 

-identify a rim protector who you feel comfortable playing 15 mpg and out to 20 in case of foul trouble. Don’t care what he can do on offense so long as he can set a screen, crash the glass, and rim run.

-add 7th/8th man sharp shooting type (Connor Hickman) and bouncy wing similar to Anthony Walker to shore up the front court.

I could 100% get behind this roster next year.

[Golfman25 5,708]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Again, don’t need 3 top 50 or whatever barometer you’re using.

-Fully expect an upperclassman Reneau to be an all-B10 caliber performer, especially offensively.

-it’s natural to expect MM to take a big leap and become a go to threat

-offer Javon Small, Ryan Conwell, and Jalen Blackmon whatever they want and take commitments from the first two. That becomes your starting backcourt. All three would be even better and allow you to bring Galloway off the bench 
 

-identify a rim protector who you feel comfortable playing 15 mpg and out to 20 in case of foul trouble. Don’t care what he can do on offense so long as he can set a screen, crash the glass, and rim run.

-add 7th/8th man sharp shooting type (Connor Hickman) and bouncy wing similar to Anthony Walker to shore up the front court.

I could 100% get behind this roster next year.

Just replying to the post that said need 3 in the top 25.  

Only 1 of those guys even played in a P5 conference against P5 competition.  The other 2 are unproven at that level.  It's a risk.  

[AH1971 1,549]

6 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The issue with Malik is that pesky rule about disqualifying a player after the 5th personal foul.

I’d feel much more comfortable with Malik guarding a traditional big as opposed to chasing a 4 all around the court like he did this season.