Fire Coach Woodson (or contemplate retirement) Thread

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I'm just messing with you. 

You'll probably see a lot of May when he's whipping our butts at Ohio St for the next 25 years

I know, that was me messing with you back. I think a deep run in this year’s tournament would start to sway some of those skeptical people like me.  But definitely if he’s whipping our but at OSU, everyone on this message board who is a May supporter, can tell me “I told you so”

[Trish 12,016]

3 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

If that is how Scott D etc feel I hope they step back and ask themselves “what is the upside to keeping Woody for next season”?
The answer is obviously that there is zero upside to another season.  Why delay the inevitable?

Making to NCAA's isn't enough to keep your job at Indiana IMO. If it was, Tom Crean should still be our guy. There's zero momentum in the program right now. Beating 4 sub .500 programs is not good enough. 

 

Or is it?

 

[Hoosier DaDa 3,108]

17 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes I was told that Woodson met with Trey and Leal on Saturday to give them their deal. This week he has met with Malik, and might hear him announce soon that he'll be back. 

Why do I get a picture in my mind that Woody acts like Daddy Warbucks in these meetings.  Now Leal and Trey are like Annie after they see how much money they are going to make next year.  Especially Leal since he done little over the years to earn it.

 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,733]

4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

As much as I'd love to have Pearl on the sideline, I'm still coming to terms with the fact that yes IU leadership really is stupid enough to keep Woodson.

May head down to the most miserable place in the world....downtown Nashville...tomorrow to catch some hoops. The candy-striped Dalton Knecht led Vols play the early game, followed by fighting Young Brucie's. May just sit by myself and openly weep.

[DChoosier 8,974]

23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes I was told that Woodson met with Trey and Leal on Saturday to give them their deal. This week he has met with Malik, and might hear him announce soon that he'll be back. 

I can’t imagine what college would have been like for me if I was making 250-500k (?) a year while hanging around with a ton of “interested” coeds.

I probably would have begged the NCAA for 7 years but most likely would have been kicked out within a year.

[Papacap 635]

We have fallen so low that yes, making the ncaa is cause for celebration. And as delusional as I am for thinking that IU would make a change (when we have always let coaches hang on too long so why stop now?,), some IU fans are delusional that the program is fine and just a player or two away from competing for a title.

Heck, I know some IU fans who think if IU plays this Saturday, IU will make the tourney this year.

I have lost hope that a change will be made this year. Too many people have lost sight of what good performance is.

[DChoosier 8,974]

28 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes I was told that Woodson met with Trey and Leal on Saturday to give them their deal. This week he has met with Malik, and might hear him announce soon that he'll be back. 

It will be interesting to hear what Malik does as his market value is quite high. I assume he has been fielding ACC/SEC/Big 12 offers.

Any news if MM has been offered a raise or is it just assumed he is gone?

[Chris007 48,339]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

There are always P5 jobs open, and no matter which year we make a change there will be excellent candidates.

I just feel the candidates this year will be better but that might be my shortsighted way of thinking

[HoosierMoore 327]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

I can’t imagine what college would have been like for me if I was making 250-500k (?) a year while hanging around with a ton of “interested” coeds.

I probably would have begged the NCAA for 7 years but most likely would have been kicked out within a year.

A buddy and I were just talking about coming back to school from Christmas break with some money in our pocket.....kings of the bar for a short time.  Who wants shots?!  Couldn't fathom that kind of cash on campus.  

[Chris007 48,339]

3 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I can’t imagine what college would have been like for me if I was making 250-500k (?) a year while hanging around with a ton of “interested” coeds.

I probably would have begged the NCAA for 7 years but most likely would have been kicked out within a year.

I'm afraid I would have been Len Bias

[Chris007 48,339]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

It will be interesting to hear what Malik does as his market value is quite high. I assume he has been fielding ACC/SEC/Big 12 offers.

Any news if MM has been offered a raise or is it just assumed he is gone?

He's been offered a raise. I think he is going to test the NBA waters, field offers from others but I think he ends up back here

[steubenhoosier 1,186]

9 minutes ago, Trish said:

Making to NCAA's isn't enough to keep your job at Indiana IMO. If it was, Tom Crean should still be our guy. There's zero momentum in the program right now. Beating 4 sub .500 programs is not good enough. 

 

Or is it?

 

I understand how badly you want Woodson gone. However at least be accurate in your criticism.

Neither Wisconsin or MSU is sub .500 in either conference or overall play.

 

[Stuhoo 83,031]

20 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I just feel the candidates this year will be better but that might be my shortsighted way of thinking

The only one that feels that way to me is Dusty, because he’s the current mid-major rocket ride guy, but with truly unique IU flavor.

Drew, Pearl, Oats, etc? Their names come up quite literally every year.

[Home Jersey 9,912]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I just feel the candidates this year will be better but that might be my shortsighted way of thinking

I agree there are always P5 jobs open and each year there are excellent candidates. 

At the same time, you've got to be able to control your own destiny too rather than leave it up to circumstance... If in any given cycle you feel confident about a candidate being "your guy" as you said... strike while the iron is hot. Timing is everything.

I'd definitely have that confidence about Dusty. 

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

4 minutes ago, Papacap said:

We have fallen so low that yes, making the ncaa is cause for celebration. And as delusional as I am for thinking that IU would make a change (when we have always let coaches hang on too long so why stop now?,), some IU fans are delusional that the program is fine and just a player or two away from competing for a title.

Heck, I know some IU fans who think if IU plays this Saturday, IU will make the tourney this year.

I have lost hope that a change will be made this year. Too many people have lost sight of what good performance is.

They have to win the BTT to be guaranteed  in.  If they make it to Saturday they might, and it’s a big might, start sniffing the bubble.  But that won’t get them in either, unless a miracle happens 

[JF87 1,704]

Would we move on from Woodson if Reneau and MgBako leave, even though they were offered top dollar by IU NIL?  Would losing Ware, Reneau, MgBako, and McNeeley be enough for Dolson to pull the plug?  

[ap2345 9,001]

I will say that I fully expect Shrewsberry to be very strong candidate next year if Woodson indeed makes it another year. I think ND will make a massive jump in year 2. 

[OKHOOSIER 3,622]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I just feel the candidates this year will be better but that might be my shortsighted way of thinking

I mean I don’t think this is a wild take. How often do programs the size of OSU, Michigan and Louisville open? To me, it is more about the type of program than quantity, and you alluded to it, but it cascades. Cronin to UL? UCLA open. Miller to OSU? Xavier open. Etc. etc. 

Side question, and I’ll preface I am on record as I would take May yesterday but I prefer Pearl. Do you think, given the lack of support from QB, and assuming Dolson can act unilaterally that he would actually fire Woody without someone proven at the P5 level locked up? I don’t think May is much of a risk, but if he didn’t work out, that’s Dolsons job. I am just not sure he takes it without a grand slam lined up. Thoughts? 

[Hoosier DaDa 3,108]

6 minutes ago, HoosierMoore said:

A buddy and I were just talking about coming back to school from Christmas break with some money in our pocket.....kings of the bar for a short time.  Who wants shots?!  Couldn't fathom that kind of cash on campus.  

Heck I used to sell my plasma 2 days a week when I was in school.  After 6 months of doing it, I was told that my plasma was special so I got a raise.  I can tell you if you went to Kilroy's right after it only took one shot and a beer to get a hell of a buzz lol.

[Demo 20,800]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The only one that feels that way to me is Dusty, because he’s the mid-major rocket ride guy, but with truly unique IU flavor.

Drew, Pearl, Oats, etc? Their names come up quite literally every year.

Agree, because we’ve all seen that the decision-makers last time out made IU affiliation a trump card because you couldn’t land on Woody any other way. And that makes May singular.