Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976 3,086]

41 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Very good post. Appreciate the level head of this post. I think many are believing the same thing, just frustrated during the week off and venting. 

I think that is where the majority are at and it didn’t help getting beat down by Turdue!

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20 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Eleven PPG ... big game v Kansas and @ tOSU... otherwise, not much to write about... should be more of a leader as (co)captain... but not really seeing it...

Since KU-- 15 games- 34mpg 47%FG 33% 3pt- 13p 5a 3r 2s per game.  

He isn't the issue. 

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13 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Since KU-- 15 games- 34mpg 47%FG 33% 3pt- 13p 5a 3r 2s per game.  

He isn't the issue. 

I agree. Treys my favorite player on this team but we ask way too much from him. We ask him to guard the other teams best perimeter player and be our best perimeter player on offense which shouldn’t be his role. The three guard lineups last year before Xavier got hurt were my favorite and we’d all be ecstatic if he was our third best guard.

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How many pages will this post be by next March

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8 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I agree. Treys my favorite player on this team but we ask way too much from him. We ask him to guard the other teams best perimeter player and be our best perimeter player on offense which shouldn’t be his role. The three guard lineups last year before Xavier got hurt were my favorite and we’d all be ecstatic if he was our third best guard.

Are you reading free my mind? Basically EXACTLY how I feel. 

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2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

You can say that about basically any team that makes a run.    If Edney doesn’t go coast to coast in 5 sec against  Missouri in the second round then ucla doesn’t win a national championship.   Almost  Every team gets lucky in the tourney so not taking that away from them.   IU was lucky in 87 in the Elite 8 to even make a Final 4 and then got really lucky Coleman didn’t hit a FT.   

That freak offense against LSU.

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3 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

It really doesn't matter lol.

Not to any players that matter.

Last year after Purdue lost to the 16 seed Braden’s dad said there was Purdue fans ready to fight him after the game and yelling at Braden how he sucked (Hova where you at the game lol). He told Braden time to get back to work and prove them wrong.   If players are worried about what fans are saying it’s probably a good guess they are worrying about the wrong things 

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2 minutes ago, Woodson1980 said:

That freak offense against LSU.

Each time I watch that game Im still not sure how they pulled that win out.   LSU was the better team on that night 

[SamIam 646]

Seems like we are back to arguing over whether Woody should be retained. I think it makes more sense for us to move now for a couple of reasons. 

IU fans are not being unfair. We have high expectations yes, but as soon as we lose those we cease to be anything other than another run of the mill program in the B1G. If this was one down year, or if this year was injury riddled, and there was real hope for change next year I think people would understand.

What lost us is that Woody has given no one any reason to expect that his system will change.  A good coach would realize that X plays best as a drive and kick player and thus needs spacing to be effective. When asked about this, Woody doubles down. We know that he thinks there is no problem with his roster construction. We know he doesn't think we need to shoot more threes despite being 353rd in the country in attempts. There has been no indication that this will change, and we are basically looking at an all new team next year, making it an optimal time to move. Almost any other coach in the nation would have recruited Mgbako to play 4, which is why he chose to decommit when Duke's 4 opted to return. Woody has played Mgbako at the 4 in 1(!) game, after being forced to by MR's injury.   

Woody doesn't have the energy to recruit. His recruiting as a whole has been boom or bust. That's what left us with 1 commit in what was supposed to be his flagship class. He went after good guards in the portal and missed but a good coach has a contingency for his contingencies. A good coach would have still gotten his 3rd target if he missed on 1 and 2 and not left a scholly open. I cannot explain enough how unacceptable that is. There are hundreds of guys who would have taken a chance with that roster spot, Woody just didn't look deep enough. We have all heard the rumors on Sisley and Mullins. Purdue is now looked at as the dominant program in this state. If we wait a year, that '25 class also falls to Matt Painter and we fall further behind. If we move now, we only risk our lone '24 commit. 

Plus moving now is the cheapest option. Woody's buyout is less next year, but if he retired with 6-8 million, I still think the AD comes out ahead. May and Schertz are likely taking power 5 jobs. In a year they will have massive, first-year-of-your-contract power five buyouts. Right now, its only 1.5M for May and 250K (!) for Schertz. Woody is 65, the buyout for the next coach is coming. Why not move now when you could pay very little for the next coach, especially if someone like May can bring most of his roster and limit the damage to the program. 

If moving now is the right choice, I think May is the obvious call I could explain why but I think I have already dumped enough text on you all for now

Edited February 13 by SamIam

[JSHoosier 20,174]

If May is who Dolson wants, then he may have to make a move this year because other programs wre goung to call. May is a risk and I'd prefer to see more from him. Timing is a factor; Dolson should've considered that when he hired a 63 year old.

I think we should move on, but know it won't happen. I don't think IU wants the black eye of firing a program legend and the only way to avoid that is if he retires on his own.

Woodson said he was forced to play through the post with Davis and Thompson, but had a chance to move on and doubled down by adding multiple bigs to the roster. A lot of people become stuck in their ways when they get older and I don't see Woodson wanting to make changes to how he does things. 

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10 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

If May is who Dolson wants, then he may have to make a move this year because other programs wre goung to call. May is a risk and I'd prefer to see more from him. Timing is a factor; Dolson should've considered that when he hired a 63 year old.

I think we should move on, but know it won't happen. I don't think IU wants the black eye of firing a program legend and the only way to avoid that is if he retires on his own.

Woodson said he was forced to play through the post with Davis and Thompson, but had a chance to move on and doubled down by adding multiple bigs to the roster. A lot of people become stuck in their ways when they get older and I don't see Woodson wanting to make changes to how he does things. 

THIS... And its likely next year we have Queen and Malik in another double post centric offense,  we would be better if we only played one center. 

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29 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Seems like we are back to arguing over whether Woody should be retained. I think it makes more sense for us to move now for a couple of reasons. 

IU fans are not being unfair. We have high expectations yes, but as soon as we lose those we cease to be anything other than another run of the mill program in the B1G. If this was one down year, or if this year was injury riddled, and there was real hope for change next year I think people would understand.

What lost us is that Woody has given no one any reason to expect that his system will change.  A good coach would realize that X plays best as a drive and kick player and thus needs spacing to be effective. When asked about this, Woody doubles down. We know that he thinks there is no problem with his roster construction. We know he doesn't think we need to shoot more threes despite being 353rd in the country in attempts. There has been no indication that this will change, and we are basically looking at an all new team next year, making it an optimal time to move. Almost any other coach in the nation would have recruited Mgbako to play 4, which is why he chose to decommit when Duke's 4 opted to return. Woody has played Mgbako at the 4 in 1(!) game, after being forced to by MR's injury.   

Woody doesn't have the energy to recruit. His recruiting as a whole has been boom or bust. That's what left us with 1 commit in what was supposed to be his flagship class. He went after good guards in the portal and missed but a good coach has a contingency for his contingencies. A good coach would have still gotten his 3rd target if he missed on 1 and 2 and not left a scholly open. I cannot explain enough how unacceptable that is. There are hundreds of guys who would have taken a chance with that roster spot, Woody just didn't look deep enough. We have all heard the rumors on Sisley and Mullins. Purdue is now looked at as the dominant program in this state. If we wait a year, that '25 class also falls to Matt Painter and we fall further behind. If we move now, we only risk our lone '24 commit. 

Plus moving now is the cheapest option. Woody's buyout is less next year, but if he retired with 6-8 million, I still think the AD comes out ahead. May and Schertz are likely taking power 5 jobs. In a year they will have massive, first-year-of-your-contract power five buyouts. Right now, its only 1.5M for May and 250K (!) for Schertz. Woody is 65, the buyout for the next coach is coming. Why not move now when you could pay very little for the next coach, especially if someone like May can bring most of his roster and limit the damage to the program. 

If moving now is the right choice, I think May is the obvious call I could explain why but I think I have already dumped enough text on you all for now

I think Mgbako family wanted him to play the 3 and I think we promised we would play him at the 3. Not saying it's correct just clarifying we told them that he would be a 3. I believe Kansas promised that too, not saying Self would have kept his word. 

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We finished with a 5.6 million dollar surplus for the 2023 year. It's a paywall

https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/sports/college/iu/2024/02/13/indiana-athletic-department-2023-financial-report-scott-dolson-five-million-surplus-revenues-expense/72566399007/?fbclid=IwAR1HQ18-ncrrMkxtf6OtCj55EEIXpCsF7dNKsUdvIcTx81w2q9zKKnWW9x8

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6 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

I would argue he is barely hanging on this year. If he went to a final four at IU and then returned that roster, only to turn around and lose to all the teams he has this year, yeah, he would be in hot water. I also fully expect them to flame out early in the tourney this year. Then what will guys say? Give him a pass? 

So let me get this straight...

Dusty May went to the Final Four and is barely hanging on this year with an 19-5 (9-2) record. I'll give you that 4 of the 5 losses are to "bad" teams but it is by a combined 18 points. You expect them to flame out early in the tourney this year based on something...

While you argue that Mike Woodson who didn't make it to the Final Four (losing in the 2nd round) and has a 14-10 (6-7) record should get another year to (ie not be in hot water) turn it around. I'll only call 2 of the 10 as "bad" losses by a combined 23 points. He won't get a chance to flame out early in the tournament this year based on not making it...

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

We finished with a 5.6 million dollar surplus for the 2023 year. It's a paywall

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the buyouts are generally paid out of specific donor funds, right? 

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4 hours ago, ISP said:

Mid-majors that have made the Final 4 in the past 40 years. I would argue that of all these programs and their prior success, May's may be the most worthy. 

San Diego State (Brian Dutcher )

FAU (Dusty May)

Gonzaga (Mark Few)

Butler (Brad Stevens)

VCU (Shaka Smart)

George Mason (Jim Larranaga) 

Loyola-Chicago (Porter Moser)

Wichita State (Gregg Marshall)

Utah (Rick Majeris)

UMass (John Calipari)

UNLV (Jerry Tarkanian)

Memphis State (Dana Kirk) (happened to have Penny Hardaway)

That's an impressive list of coaches. With the exception of Dana Kirk who I know nothing about and morality issues aside, I'd take any of these coaches any day...

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28 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the buyouts are generally paid out of specific donor funds, right? 

They ought to pay back some of the donors they suckered into buying out Archie to only be back here 3 years later.

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47 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

We finished with a 5.6 million dollar surplus for the 2023 year. It's a paywall

https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/sports/college/iu/2024/02/13/indiana-athletic-department-2023-financial-report-scott-dolson-five-million-surplus-revenues-expense/72566399007/?fbclid=IwAR1HQ18-ncrrMkxtf6OtCj55EEIXpCsF7dNKsUdvIcTx81w2q9zKKnWW9x8

Invest that into football and the next basketball search. 

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1 hour ago, SamIam said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the buyouts are generally paid out of specific donor funds, right? 

You are correct. 

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I don’t want to see CMW fired.  However if he decides to retire and we get Dusty May I would be ecstatic.  
I can see us winning out at home and getting a couple on the road putting us on the bubble.  There is still a lot of season left.