Fire Coach Woodson (or contemplate retirement) Thread

[JSHoosier 20,873]

Just now, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't think he'd come here.  Could very well end up in Lexington when Cal retires though.

Make the call and find out. You could always come up with a reason why any coach wouldn't. May could like Florida weather over Indiana.

[SamIam 688]

Look, I wrote a really long post in his thread on the reasons why we should be a no on Beard/Pearl and why we should take a look at May. If you're still saying we should hire Beard do me a favor and read the police report. 

In a few years, I could see Shrews having ND turned around. Shertz hasn't been to a tourney yet but he could be a hot name. But right now, there's no other real candidate out there. If you want to move from Woody now, it probably has to be May

And there's no real reason why we shouldn't be comfortable with him. You can scream unproven all you want but a good coach is a good coach, simple as that. All he's done is build a program out of absolutely nothing at FAU. Even without people ridiculously discounting his Final Four as a "fluke" he'd still be a good candidate for a better job. 

[Hovadipo 57,841]

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[Golfman25 5,948]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

And IIRC had been named B1G COY 2 years back. 
The anti-Crean stuff is over the top. Yes, he couldn’t develop teams consistently, he lost many HS coaches, his manerisms were comical, but he won us B1G titles, multiple SW16’s, had been named a B1G COY, brought us many beloved players, several of whom remain in the discussion of some of our best ever. These above continued belittling busts on Crean are pointless now, and completely ignore his accomplishments 

I thought the plan was supposed to be go move on from Crean (after he rebuilt the program to respectable again) and get us over that hump of inconsistency.  Unfortunately, the next guy crapped his pants.  And well, here we are.  

[Stuhoo 83,094]

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[Adillac 953]

Yea, I am a little shy on May. Having a couple really nice seasons at a small school isn't enough for me to get real excited. If he were hired I'd get pumped and be along for the ride obviously, but yea it isn't my first choice probably. I find Schertz to be more compelling, as his record at the DII school was outright dominant and he now has Indiana State ranked in the top 25 for the first time in 40+ years. To me, there is more coaching evidence there than one really great FF run (although that is a fantastic accomplishment). I wouldn't be mad at Nate Oats as a candidate.  

 

[Golfman25 5,948]

45 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'll ask the same question I asked on the other board a few weeks ago: If you were Scott Dolson or simply the IU AD and your livelihood (job status) was dependent on the success of the next basketball hire, is Dusty May your guy? Would you bet your job on Dusty May elevating IU's basketball program? If your answer is yes then you're lying to yourself. 

It would depend on how he answered my questions about building a program.  The closer he is the Cig answers, the more likely I would hire him.  

[Golfman25 5,948]

43 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I've been saying it for 3 weeks. Chris Beard would be the one and only candidate if I were in charge of the athletics department. And if I was handcuffed by the IU president and BoT I'd tell them not only are you going to have to find a new basketball coach on your own, you're going to have to find a new AD while you're at it. 

And they would say "Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out."  And then good like finding a new AD job.  :)  

[Hoosierfan2017 22,316]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You've been consistent with this, but I just do not get it. 

What qualities are you prioritizing to comprise an "excellent" hire?

An excellent hire to me is someone with proven, consistent success at the major conference level. We’ve hired 5 coaches since Bob Knight. One of them meets that criteria, and he was easily the best coach we’ve had post-Knight. I don’t think that that was a coincidence. 

Mike Davis - zero college head coaching experience

Kelvin Sampson - 10 years at Oklahoma, 9 tournament appearances, three sweet 16s, two elite eights, and one final four

Tom Crean - 5 tournament appearances in 9 seasons at Marquette, one final four (courtesy of D Wade). Only made it past the round of 64 one other time when he lost in the round of 32

Archie Miller - some good, consistent success, but at the mid-major level 

Mine Woodson - no college head coaching experience.

Past results don’t always equal future success. However, I would feel much more comfortable hiring a guy who has shown he can perform well at this level. We’ve seen many coaches be flashes in the pan. We’ve seen many coaches have a good 2-3 year run and then fail to replicate it. It’s a lot harder to build a consistent program. If you can build a consistent program at a power conference school? Well, then I like your chances of doing it at IU too.

Dusty May has had two good seasons at FAU. We can talk about how FAU has a bad basketball history, how he did better than his predecessor, etc., but at the end of the day he went 17-16, 17-15, 13-10, and 19-15 in his first four seasons. At this point in his career he doesn’t have consistent success at any level of college basketball, let alone the major level.

That’s not to say he can’t or won’t, he just hasn’t at this stage in his career, and we can only evaluate him based on what he’s done to date. 

Who’s my guy? I have my wishlist, many of whom probably aren’t realistic. Mick Cronin is one guy I would feel comfortable with. 

[Stuhoo 83,094]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

An excellent hire to me is someone with proven, consistent success at the major conference level. We’ve hired 5 coaches since Bob Knight. One of them meets that criteria, and he was easily the best coach we’ve had post-Knight. I don’t think that that was a coincidence. 

Mike Davis - zero college head coaching experience

Kelvin Sampson - 10 years at Oklahoma, 9 tournament appearances, three sweet 16s, two elite eights, and one final four

Tom Crean - 5 tournament appearances in 9 seasons at Marquette, one final four (courtesy of D Wade). Only made it past the round of 64 one other time when he lost in the round of 32

Archie Miller - some good, consistent success, but at the mid-major level 

Mine Woodson - no college head coaching experience.

Past results don’t always equal future success. However, I would feel much more comfortable hiring a guy who has shown he can perform well at this level. We’ve seen many coaches be flashes in the pan. We’ve seen many coaches have a good 2-3 year run and then fail to replicate it. It’s a lot harder to build a consistent program. If you can build a consistent program at a power conference school? Well, then I like your chances of doing it at IU too.

Dusty May has had two good seasons at FAU. We can talk about how FAU has a bad basketball history, how he did better than his predecessor, etc., but at the end of the day he went 17-16, 17-15, 13-10, and 19-15 in his first four seasons. At this point in his career he doesn’t have consistent success at any level of college basketball, let alone the major level.

That’s not to say he can’t or won’t, he just hasn’t at this stage in his career, and we can only evaluate him based on what he’s done to date. 

Who’s my guy? I have my wishlist, many of whom probably aren’t realistic. Mick Cronin is one guy I would feel comfortable with. 

So Cronin or TJ Otz, I guess.

[Chris007 48,507]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So Cronin or TJ Otz, I guess.

I don't mind Cronin, I don't mind most candidates besides one. But one thing it seems about Cronin is when he leaves a school, they're usually happy he's leaving. Kind of like Marquette was with Crean. 

[JF87 1,709]

Have we decided this thread should be the "encourage coach Woodson to retire thread"? IU is not going to fire Coach Woodson.  We have to come to that realization.  Whether we underperformed the last 2 years or not, we did make the NCAA Tournament. The Administration even gave him a raise.  So, firing isn't going to happen.  Our only hope Coach Woodson wants to golf and spend time with his grandkids.    

[Capt. Crimson 3,524]

Have we decided this thread should be the "encourage coach Woodson to retire thread"? IU is not going to fire Coach Woodson.  We have to come to that realization.  Whether we underperformed the last 2 years or not, we did make the NCAA Tournament. The Administration even gave him a raise.  So, firing isn't going to happen.  Our only hope Coach Woodson wants to golf and spend time with his grandkids.    

Buckle up. This is going to be a loooooong thread.


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[Scotty R 2,512]

Listening to Queery on 107.5 and he was talking about Randy Bennett from St. Mary's. He met him on radio row at the FF. I did not realize that Bennett is from Indiana and his mom still lives in Southport. I knew he has been very successful there and I wonder why he is still there. I thought he would he a coach to look at but I looked him up and saw ye is 62. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,316]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

So Cronin or TJ Otz, I guess.

I would add Nate Oats as well.l, though he’s probably on the dream list rather than the realistic list. I really like how his teams play. 

[mamasa 15,563]

50 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Chief? Lol, welcome to middle school. Next you'll call me "dude."

I'm not overthinking it:

1. He's good at coaching basketball
2. It is empirically true that he was fired from his last job for misconduct.
3. He is not a viable candidate for IU.

So, one more time; name me a VIABLE candidate for IU that you'd be happy with.

Ready? GO!

 

[IUrocker 2,361]

I’d probably be happy with any of May, Shrews, or Schertz. Their style of basketball is just way more fun to watch and they’re doing it without all the 5 stars Woodson seems to need to make him look successful in his system at this level. I don’t see any reason why those coaches couldn’t get some 5 stars to come to a school like IU with the resources and allure we have. I’d think they’d be able to get higher ranked players to go to a school like IU than FAU or ISU if they pursue them.
 

Obviously competition is gonna be way more fierce in the Big Ten than what May or Schertz are going up against now at their schools, so talent matters, but at the same time look at the likes of Purdue. Painter doesn’t think he has to get a bunch of JHSs or TJDs to be successful in a system that works. Just seems to be that Woodson thinks he needs NBA ready players to make his style work and if he doesn’t get them then he’s screwed. 

[SamIam 688]

23 minutes ago, FightFor6 said:

I like Dusty May a lot. I love the story and his accomplishments the past 3 years are impressive given the challenge of winning at FAU. But  is it not fair to be a little wary as a fan of a program that has whiffed on multiple coaching hires in a row?

I get being wary but we keep whiffing on bad coaches. Crean had consistency problems. Archie had system and development problems. Woody has system problems. Let's just get a good coach, okay? 

What matters is does his system work, can he find talent to play the system, and can he develop guys so they are able to execute the system. With May, the answers are yes. 

I'm not worried about the rest. We can find him an assistant with high major experience to help with the transition. We have a war chest for NIL to help him get players. I just want a coach who is good with the X's and O's and is going to poor everything he has into getting us back. 

[Stuhoo 83,094]

30 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

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[Kentuckysucks 2,690]

2 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

I’d probably be happy with any of May, Shrews, or Schertz. Their style of basketball is just way more fun to watch and they’re doing it without all the 5 stars Woodson seems to need to make him look successful in his system at this level. I don’t see any reason why those coaches couldn’t get some 5 stars to come to a school like IU with the resources and allure we have. I’d think they’d be able to get higher ranked players to go to a school like IU than FAU or ISU if they pursue them.
 

Obviously competition is gonna be way more fierce in the Big Ten than what May or Schertz are going up against now at their schools, so talent matters, but at the same time look at the likes of Purdue. Painter doesn’t think he has to get a bunch of JHSs or TJDs to be successful in a system that works. Just seems to be that Woodson thinks he needs NBA ready players to make his style work and if he doesn’t get them then he’s screwed. 

Schrews is the one guy I just don't get.  No appeal at all to me.