COMPLAIN HERE!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

It's because of the candy stripe pants, our uniforms, the court and Adidas. They're to blame. 

If we didn't wear candy-stripe pants, wore different uniforms, had a funky, red court and wore Nikes -- we'd probalby have hung three extra banners by now. I'm sure of it! 

 

We probably would be better off with Nike. They clearly pay better.

[Dave from Dayton 3,264]

13 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And what about the rest of the years? We've made the tourney only about half the time since the turn of the century. But instead of embracing change and trying something new and different, it's just keep repeating "This is Indiana." We keep doing this and it isn't working.

Seems like the Athletic Director thought he was doing something different with Archie then with Woody.  

With Archie, seemed to do more with less and discipline and teaming...at UD.  Archie did not transfer his strengths at UD to IU. (From my perspective, and not being an insider, it appeared that Archie did not get the support that Woody would get.)

With Woody, he seemed to sell the 4 and 1 and knowing what made a pro baller.  That was supposed, I speculate, to transfer those assets and knowledge to college ballers and the resultant improvement in quality recruits and a pro-style game.  So far, that also has not happened in full.  Is it due to not recruiting correctly?  Is it due to not having the right players in the right skill-sets?  Or is it a problem with the coaches and therefore the administration?

But still seems to me to not be a problem with embracing new things or not changing or "tradition of mediocrity".  It is a problem with decision making, implementation and follow-through etc.

[IUFAN1976 3,311]

2 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

 

 

 

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

My eyes started watering when I read this, lol!!!  Just watch the Wizard of Oz in black and white and then the color version and you will experience it for yourself.

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4 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Seems like the Athletic Director thought he was doing something different with Archie then with Woody.  

With Archie, seemed to do more with less and discipline and teaming...at UD.  Archie did not transfer his strengths at UD to IU. (From my perspective, and not being an insider, it appeared that Archie did not get the support that Woody would get.)

With Woody, he seemed to sell the 4 and 1 and knowing what made a pro baller.  That was supposed, I speculate, to transfer those assets and knowledge to college ballers and the resultant improvement in quality recruits and a pro-style game.  So far, that also has not happened in full.  Is it due to not recruiting correctly?  Is it due to not having the right players in the right skill-sets?  Or is it a problem with the coaches and therefore the administration?

But still seems to me to not be a problem with embracing new things or not changing or "tradition of mediocrity".  It is a problem with decision making, implementation and follow-through etc.

So what you're saying is Indiana got duped into two hires by bad coaches and their camps?

[IUFAN1976 3,311]

4 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

 

Agree with most of what these two "veterans" wrote. I'm 55 -- graduated in 1991, so don't go that far back as far as being in school, but was there for the '87 championship (I was on the five-year plan) and watched the '76 and '81 championships as a kid. 

I do like our "greatest timeout" and do like the fact we don't have names on our jerseys -- but if someone were to tell me those would change, I wouldn't kick up a fuss. 

As far as everything else -- yep. Pisses me off that those who've been around are seemingly getting called out for IU's basketball struggles. 

Despite Davis jumping in and keeping the ship afloat, there's no way he should've been given the keys to the program. I believe he interviewed for the Delaware job when Mike Brey left for Notre Dame, and didn't get it. So, he's not good enough for Delaware, but is for IU? Despite the run to the 2002 title game, that hire set us back. 

IU seems to have a habit recently of taking the path of least resistence: Davis get basketball job; Lynch gets football job; Allen gets football job. Could even add Dolson getting the AD job to the list, but that remains to be seen. 

Cracks me up that someone who has not experienced the glory of IU basketball is trying to tell those of us who have that our beliefs are what ail the program -- when they don't even know what our beliefs are!  

It’s unanimous, I think all we want is to win!  As long as we do it within the rules, we don’t care about Adidas, Nike, or using New Balance, just win.  The only tradition I want to keep is hanging banners!  And sometime again within our lifetime, please!

[IUCrazy2 2,450]

34 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You mean like how people talk crap about striped pants? It isn't that there is a problem with the court or jerseys, but there is a problem with never changing because of "tradition" when any sort of winning tradition is gapped by a 3 decade period of mediocrity. Right now, striped pants are tied to mediocrity. Our jerseys are tied to mediocrity. Indiana basketball is mediocrity. It isn't winning. It isn't championships. It isn't making the tourney. It's losing. It's arrogance. It's ego. It's outdated. And there are zero plans to start something new.

The striped pants don't have **** to do with any of that.  You could sex up the cheerleaders, change the court, pump rap music in during time outs, get new jerseys, new shoes, replace the band with a DJ, replace Assembly Hall and you could have done all of that 15 years ago and it wouldn't have mattered because of Tom Crean, Archie Miller, and Mike Woodson and the couple dozen players who were here during that time.  Then all that new stuff is tied to losing.  You have it exactly backwards, all the hokey boring stuff that doesn't matter and the old head fans are what ties us to the last time we were winning.

Go ahead and change all the stuff you want to change. It isn't going to make a bit of difference to what actually matters.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

10 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The striped pants don't have **** to do with any of that.  You could sex up the cheerleaders, change the court, pump rap music in during time outs, get new jerseys, new shoes, replace the band with a DJ, replace Assembly Hall and you could have done all of that 15 years ago and it wouldn't have mattered because of Tom Crean, Archie Miller, and Mike Woodson and the couple dozen players who were here during that time.  Then all that new stuff is tied to losing.  You have it exactly backwards, all the hokey boring stuff that doesn't matter and the old head fans are what ties us to the last time we were winning.

Go ahead and change all the stuff you want to change. It isn't going to make a bit of difference to what actually matters.

Sure, but it'll help. Whether you like it or not, time to cut the cord on the old and leave it in the past. Because it means nothing now.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

12 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The striped pants don't have **** to do with any of that.  You could sex up the cheerleaders, change the court, pump rap music in during time outs, get new jerseys, new shoes, replace the band with a DJ, replace Assembly Hall and you could have done all of that 15 years ago and it wouldn't have mattered because of Tom Crean, Archie Miller, and Mike Woodson and the couple dozen players who were here during that time.  Then all that new stuff is tied to losing.  You have it exactly backwards, all the hokey boring stuff that doesn't matter and the old head fans are what ties us to the last time we were winning.

Go ahead and change all the stuff you want to change. It isn't going to make a bit of difference to what actually matters.

But you're also just simplifying one part of the problem into the only problem. New jerseys, new shoe deal(which would actually be huge) etc would help bring on change. But the people in charge also have to change. And Chris has said it before that there is basically zero attempt at negotiations with Adidas or coke by using any leverage that could come with leaving for Nike or Pepsi. Those are administration failures. It's been administration failure after failure. The aesthetics is just change to help the times because the past needs to be left where it is now. That includes the administration.

[LamarCheeks 19,179]

16 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Sure, but it'll help. Whether you like it or not, time to cut the cord on the old and leave it in the past. Because it means nothing now.

I'm gonna sound like Denzel Washington in "Philadelphia" (you're probably too young to remember that movie; score one for the oldsters!). 

Explain this to me like I'm a 6-year-old: How would changing from candy-stripe pants to, say, all red pants -- or even changing our warmups altogeher -- help? 

I feel as if you're barking up the wrong tree. We could wear neon pink uniforms with script red lettering and numbers and wear big green Nikes with purple swooshes and drink Pepsi until our bladders burst -- and it wouldn't make a difference until we get the right coach who, in turn, plays the right style and gets the right players. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

16 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm gonna sound like Denzel Washington in "Philadelphia" (you're probably too young to remember that movie; score one for the oldsters!). 

Explain this to me like I'm a 6-year-old: How would changing from candy-stripe pants to, say, all red pants -- or even changing our warmups altogeher -- help? 

I feel as if you're barking up the wrong tree. We could wear neon pink uniforms with script red lettering and numbers and wear big green Nikes with purple swooshes and drink Pepsi until our bladders burst -- and it wouldn't make a difference until we get the right coach who, in turn, plays the right style and gets the right players. 

You must not believe in feng shui.

And btw, I don't believe we need to change the pants. Even if the majority of people think they are goofy.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,591]

33 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The striped pants don't have **** to do with any of that.  You could sex up the cheerleaders, change the court, pump rap music in during time outs, get new jerseys, new shoes, replace the band with a DJ, replace Assembly Hall and you could have done all of that 15 years ago and it wouldn't have mattered because of Tom Crean, Archie Miller, and Mike Woodson and the couple dozen players who were here during that time.  Then all that new stuff is tied to losing.  You have it exactly backwards, all the hokey boring stuff that doesn't matter and the old head fans are what ties us to the last time we were winning.

Go ahead and change all the stuff you want to change. It isn't going to make a bit of difference to what actually matters.

It’s not the reason for IU’s failures, but the program’s culture is definitely outdated/stuffy. Needs a revamp big time. 

[IUCrazy2 2,450]

32 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Sure, but it'll help. Whether you like it or not, time to cut the cord on the old and leave it in the past. Because it means nothing now.

How?  How will it help?  The only thing that might impact recruiting is getting Nike.  And nobody but nobody in the fanbase cares one way or the other about that happening.  You are just irrationally lashing out at everything because we aren't winning.

Our biggest problem right now is how the administration goes about picking who to lead the program and who subsequently ends up in charge of the program.  Woodson is pulling dudes and apparently he is half assing it if what we read here is to be believed.  We have the NIL money in place.  We have the engaged fanbase.  With all our old and stodgy fans, we are the ones with 1 million Twitter supporters.  Nearly double the next closest team in the BIG and 3 to 5 times more than the majority.

The problem isn't striped pants, classic jerseys, the court (this is one of the dumbest of your complaints), the cheerleaders wearing more conservative outfits, the band, Adidas, the fact it is hard to see from some spots in the building, stale popcorn, lack of all beef hot dogs, nerdy usher apparel, or any other item from a long list of cosmetic things.  We were losing for 2 big reasons.  We didn't play the shoe game in the period from the mid-90's to the start of NIL and we hired coaches who we expected to recruit like we did and who did not have systems designed around winning.  Except for one guy we had for 2 years who couldn't keep his team's nose clean and/or the fact they couldn't keep that quiet.  That's it.

You could change everything you mentioned over the past 2 decades and keep everything else the same and we would be a bunch of "cool" losers who had thrown away everything that connected the program to its winning past.  Brilliant.

[IUCrazy2 2,450]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s not the reason for IU’s failures, but the program’s culture is definitely outdated/stuffy. Needs a revamp big time. 

Be specific.  I would suggest that the problem with the culture is that it isn't stuffy enough.   I wouldn't have guys dancing on ----ing Tik Tok in a season where they are flirting with Ken Pom and NET 100 land.  The problem with the culture is losing.  Period.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

Just now, IUCrazy2 said:

How?  How will it help?  The only thing that might impact recruiting is getting Nike.  And nobody but nobody in the fanbase cares one way or the other about that happening.  You are just irrationally lashing out at everything because we aren't winning.

Our biggest problem right now is how the administration goes about picking who to lead the program and who subsequently ends up in charge of the program.  Woodson is pulling dudes and apparently he is half assing it if what we read here is to be believed.  We have the NIL money in place.  We have the engaged fanbase.  With all our old and stodgy fans, we are the ones with 1 million Twitter supporters.  Nearly double the next closest team in the BIG and 3 to 5 times more than the majority.

The problem isn't striped pants, classic jerseys, the court (this is one of the dumbest of your complaints), thr cheerleaders wearing more conservative outfits, the band, Adidas, the fact it is hard to see from some spots in the building, stale popcorn, lack of all beef hot dogs, nerdy usher apparel, or any other item from a long list of cosmetic things.  We were losing for 2 big reasons.  We didn't play the shoe game in the period from the mid-90's to the start of NIL and we hired coaches who we expected to recruit like we did and who did not have systems designed around winning.  Except for one guy we had for 2 years who couldn't keep his team's nose clean and/or the fact they couldn't quiet.  That's it.

You could change everything you mentioned over the past 2 decades and keep everything else the same and we would be a bunch of "cool" losers who had thrown away everything that connected the program to its winning past.  Brilliant.

Because some fresh air in the program would be nice. We have the biggest Twitter following of any B1G school. It's more than #2 and #3 combined. Social media reactions would be through the roof if Indiana got a little creative with brand new jerseys or something. And that's a massive positive towards the program. Modernizing the program is the goal. But that's only a part of the equation.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,699]

3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Be specific.  I would suggest that the problem with the culture is that it isn't stuffy enough.   I wouldn't have guys dancing on ----ing Tik Tok in a season where they are flirting with Ken Pom and NET 100 land.  The problem with the culture is losing.  Period.

And everything connected with the program is connected to losing and mediocrity. That is what happens when you do nothing as program for basically the last 30 years.

[Scotty R 2,210]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I don't need to defend it. We are watching it in real time. There isn't anything modern and up beat about the basketball program. Same jerseys for 70 years, basically the same court and a coach who looks like he's about to fall asleep half the time, who only got the job because his old fart friends wanted him to. And our coach is indeed an old fart who couldn't coach a modern way of basketball if his life depended on it. The program is stale and there isn't anyone in the administration or around it that wants to give the program any breath of fresh air and step into the 21st century.

Why do you bother with IU basketball if it makes you so miserable. It is just a sport so there is no need to get so upset about something trivial.

[Scotty R 2,210]

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

There isn't anything wrong with the court or jerseys.  Even if you switch to Nike those jerseys are going to look really similar.  And why change them?  

On a basketball recruit's list of crap they care about, I bet jersey and court appearance aren't in the Top 20.  All of the hokey traditions or whatever are "super cool" if you are winning.  Chanting "Rock chalk, Jay Hawk" at every game is lame as hell.  If it was Northwestern doing it people wouldn't say it was a great basketball tradition, they would say it is stupid.

So all of that is to say that THE most important thing is winning.  If we were winning 70% of our games and going to the Sweet 16 and beyond regularly, you would think all the "classic" stuff about Indiana is cool.  Winning is the only thing that matters, this other stuff is just window dressing whose worthiness is judged almost completely on how the team performs.

It would be just weird for Northwestern to chant Rock Chalk Jay Hawk since they are the Wildcats

[Scotty R 2,210]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

So what you're saying is Indiana got duped into two hires by bad coaches and their camps?

At the time of Archie's hire all the experts said he was the top candidate out there

 He just didn't work out

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18 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Be specific.  I would suggest that the problem with the culture is that it isn't stuffy enough.   I wouldn't have guys dancing on ----ing Tik Tok in a season where they are flirting with Ken Pom and NET 100 land.  The problem with the culture is losing.  Period.

Social media is part of NIL if they have enough followers. Making videos is part of how they get followers.

[Dave from Dayton 3,264]

6 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

It would be just weird for Northwestern to chant Rock Chalk Jay Hawk since they are the Wildcats

Forget it.  He's rolling...

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