Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

[AKHoosier 7,347]

23 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Yeah, kids prefer Nike, at least football and basketball players do. That's a massive part of it. 

Plus.. Adidas gear sucks, and the Adidas gear designed for IU sucks. 

Yeah Adidas is probably the reason I don't ask for much IU gear for Christmas. 

I honestly like a lot of Adidas gear, but for some reason their IU apparel is just not good.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 10,137]

8 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I respectfully disagree....Personally, I love Adidas. I am speaking about fan apparel, not basketball or football player's equipment. I know it's not about me, but the kids and what they like.  I love shoes and have never liked the way Nike shoes look overall and fit compared to Adidas. That's obviously my personal opinion.

I like their shoes, too. 

Show me a jersey, pullover, sweatshirt, etc, anything else thats IU gear that you like. Idk. I think it all basically sucks. 

[Chris007 55,332]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

On the Adidas relationship, I know Nike is more popular but from a $ standpoint would IU be better off? Right now we're one of the bigger Adidas programs I think, but if we switched to Nike then Duke/pUKe/etc all jump ahead of us.

Also can we stay Adidas for a while? I just purchased a bunch of IU Adidas things for Christmas.

[Hovadipo 59,553]

24 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I wonder if either the DC or OC will eventually stay behind and become the head coach

33 is pretty young for the OC and JMU is killer at hiring HCs so that'd be quite the leap for them. My hope is that he comes here, stays, and is a succession candidate when the time comes. (Very wishful thinking)

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Twitter, so who knows the validity, has stated we are the leader for Jah Jah Boyd. 4.4 speed

One of the 247 recruiting analysts said it too

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Just now, ap2345 said:

One of the 247 recruiting analysts said it too

fantastic 

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So what sort of coach speak are we going to hear at the press conference?

Are we gonna be chopping wood, or LEO, or rowin a boat? 

[Dave from Dayton 3,903]

26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

If I remember correctly he wasn't allowed to run anyone off & we didn't have any spots open for the PG he wanted to bring in. But I could be wrong. 

You may be correct.

It was strange though considering this quote: 

"With roster turnover in question for next year, Archie Miller has offered a roster spot to McKinley Wright. Wright is currently committed to Miller’s old program, Dayton."  Per: Could Dayton commit McKinley Wright join Archie Miller and the Hoosiers? - The Crimson Quarry

I seem to remember that later it was reported or rumored that the AD nixed it.  It seemed implied that it was bad form to poach a signed recruit.  But maybe I interpreted it incorrectly and it had more of your slant about existing players still had those slots.  So we had Josh Newkirk.

Well, back to my original questions: Will Coach Cignetti bring those recruits signed originally with JM and/or transfer portal entries?

[Hoosierfan222 734]

Really curious how much money the NIL collectives have raised since the Cignetti announcement… 

Just eyeballing it, it looks like at a minimum around ~200k but could be way higher. Would love to try to get the total NIL figure between $4-5 million 

[Hoosierfan222 734]

3 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

You may be correct.

It was strange though considering this quote: 

"With roster turnover in question for next year, Archie Miller has offered a roster spot to McKinley Wright. Wright is currently committed to Miller’s old program, Dayton."  Per: Could Dayton commit McKinley Wright join Archie Miller and the Hoosiers? - The Crimson Quarry

I seem to remember that later it was reported or rumored that the AD nixed it.  It seemed implied that it was bad form to poach a signed recruit.  But maybe I interpreted it incorrectly and it had more of your slant about existing players still had those slots.  So we had Josh Newkirk.

Well, back to my original questions: Will Coach Cignetti bring those recruits signed originally with JM and/or transfer portal entries?

I highly doubt every JMU recruit or even most of them are quality enough to play in the Big Ten, but I could definitely see him bringing a few, and I’m sure he’ll be active recruiting some current players that he thinks can make the jump with him 

[Dave from Dayton 3,903]

Just now, Hoosierfan222 said:

Really curious how much money the NIL collectives have raised since the Cignetti announcement… 

Just eyeballing it, it looks like at a minimum around ~200k but could be way higher. 

I also wonder.  But since Indiana is marketing IU football right now....

They may be receiving offers that are slightly bigger than what the average fan would chip in for.

And with those come some special requests...and some may be off that list.

[southernindianahoosier2 1,013]

49 minutes ago, Tom White said:

I've seen several people bemoan IU's relationship with Adidas before but have never seen what the source of the concern is. Can someone point me towards anything that lays out the problems with Adidas?

I’ll answer this the best I can.

 Fred Glass signed the last Adidas deal through his buddy and fellow IU alum who is a VP at Adidas. At the time it provided us with the most up front cash and presumably more $ than Nike. At the time it was one of the largest, because at this point a lot of schools were dropping adidas like third period French and Adidas wanted to keep their remaining premier schools (Michigan dropped the contract and moved to Jordan and we should have done the same IMO)

Although it was the most up front cash, fans speculate that it was a short term gain for a long term loss for two reasons

1 : poor apparel sales directly related to Adidas not selling anything the fan base would like to buy - see the daily student article blasting adidas for doing team issue only apparel that the fan base can’t buy. I believe IU gets a royalty for everything sold. And so even if IU got less money up front from Nike, they could get more money from the royalty portion. If you Don’t believe me, go to any Nike schools website and there’s pages on pages of apparel whereas the adidas schools are limited… also Iu isn’t even a tier 1 adidas school (at least in football). So an adidas school like Washington gets these new technology football jerseys etc, and IU gets their bottom tier technology from years ago, which makes it look like a jersey from Walmart. (Also IMO our basketball uniforms don’t fit, they come untucked a lot and kids are rolling their shorts up 1-2)

 

2. Brands play an important role in recruiting and it’s speculated that Adidas hasn’t helped us get top basketball talent.

If you don’t believe me, go to any high school or youth basketball pick up game, it will be 90% Nike gear, and maybe 10% Steph curry/under armour, and maybe 1% Adidas - meaning people are voting with their wallets and Adidas is not what kids want to wear

It has been pointed out by fans who went to the Kansas game that there are serious issues with adidas at IU and our apparel in general, which have given rise to the success of companies like homefield (not a bad thing) 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

I highly doubt every JMU recruit or even most of them are quality enough to play in the Big Ten, but I could definitely see him bringing a few, and I’m sure he’ll be active recruiting some current players that he thinks can make the jump with him 

There are a good handful that are and we currently have some commits that got offers from JMU. And if today's JMU team were in the conference they wouldn't be in last place, like us. Coach Cig is known for developing his players so personally, I'll take whoever we can get on the roster from that team. 

[mamasa 15,710]

Good discussion about QB development

https://csnbbs.com/thread-977139-page-7.html

 

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1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

I’ll answer this the best I can.

 Fred Glass signed the last Adidas deal through his buddy and fellow IU alum who is a VP at Adidas. At the time it provided us with the most up front cash and presumably more $ than Nike. At the time it was one of the largest, because at this point a lot of schools were dropping adidas like third period French and Adidas wanted to keep their remaining premier schools (Michigan dropped the contract and moved to Jordan and we should have done the same IMO)

Although it was the most up front cash, fans speculate that it was a short term gain for a long term loss for two reasons

1 : poor apparel sales directly related to Adidas not selling anything the fan base would like to buy - see the daily student article blasting adidas for doing team issue only apparel that the fan base can’t buy. I believe IU gets a royalty for everything sold. And so even if IU got less money up front from Nike, they could get more money from the royalty portion. If you Don’t believe me, go to any Nike schools website and there’s pages on pages of apparel whereas the adidas schools are limited… also Iu isn’t even a tier 1 adidas school (at least in football). So an adidas school like Washington gets these new technology football jerseys etc, and IU gets their bottom tier technology from years ago, which makes it look like a jersey from Walmart. (Also IMO our basketball uniforms don’t fit, they come untucked a lot and kids are rolling their shorts up 1-2)

 

2. Brands play an important role in recruiting and it’s speculated that Adidas hasn’t helped us get top basketball talent.

If you don’t believe me, go to any high school or youth basketball pick up game, it will be 90% Nike gear, and maybe 10% Steph curry/under armour, and maybe 1% Adidas - meaning people are voting with their wallets and Adidas is not what kids want to wear

It has been pointed out by fans who went to the Kansas game that there are serious issues with adidas at IU and our apparel in general, which have given rise to the success of companies like homefield (not a bad thing) 

 

The bold. A youth football game would yield the same results. 

[go iu bb 7,730]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2023/11/30/curt-cignetti-indiana-football-schemes-will-he-run-iu/71756504007/

https://hoosierhuddle.com/hoosier-blog/what-indianas-offense-is-getting-with-hiring-of-curt-cignetti/2023/11/30

 

This is why I'm not worried that he hasn't be a HC at a P5 school before. He learned what it takes from the best in the business. I'm guessing we won't hear that IU practices are like a joke from HS anymore. From the IndyStar article:

“What I learned from (Alabama's) Nick (Saban) was really how to run a ‘gram,” Cignetti said to pff.com. “The organization and leadership standpoint, the way he treated his day in season, the way we practiced, the way recruiting was organized. The way he led staff and players and the way he led the message he crafted. It was sort of a doctoral program on how to be a head coach.”

 That article also talks about he isn't set in his ways and will adjust as needed to get the most from what he has. Some of his teams depended more on defense, others on offense, while others were more balanced. Sometimes the offense was pass heavy, other times run heavy. It's not always the same thing but he makes it what it needs to be in order to win rather than trying to force something that doesn't work.

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Just now, mamasa said:

Good discussion about QB development

https://csnbbs.com/thread-977139-page-7.html

 

In my opinion, that's his secret sauce of his winning. If Sorsby sticks around it'll be the best decision he'll ever make for his future. If he doesn't, Coach Cig will develop the next man up that earns the job. Again, just my opinion. 

[Golfman25 6,288]

3 hours ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

Players gonna be running through a brick wall 

Let's see how many transfer now.  :)  

[MemphisHoosier 2,278]

51 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

 

He gets it.  This is the time of publicity and love that you would see with an SEC hire.

[JSHoosier 21,664]

6 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

This is why I'm not worried that he hasn't be a HC at a P5 school before. He learned what it takes from the best in the business. I'm guessing we won't hear that IU practices are like a joke from HS anymore. From the IndyStar article:

“What I learned from (Alabama's) Nick (Saban) was really how to run a ‘gram,” Cignetti said to pff.com. “The organization and leadership standpoint, the way he treated his day in season, the way we practiced, the way recruiting was organized. The way he led staff and players and the way he led the message he crafted. It was sort of a doctoral program on how to be a head coach.”

 That article also talks about he isn't set in his ways and will adjust as needed to get the most from what he has. Some of his teams depended more on defense, others on offense, while others were more balanced.

That part about adjusting is partly why I shared. He has a preference but ultimately he adjusts to the personnel he has and tries to put them in the best position.