IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[Golfman25 5,424]

53 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

IU is clearly at it's best with guys like Ware and Reneau scoring at the rim. Giving that up to brick 25 three pointers a game at the expense of making 8 or 9 (instead of 5 or 6) is literally how efficiency works lol, there's no differing opinion. I would love for IU to be able to make 9 or 10 three's a game but realize that it isn't practical to do it efficiently given our personnel.

The real solution is to work to get a good shot, and then take it -- whether at the rim, from 3, or whatever.  

[Uspshoosier 45,686]

Just now, Ngw7183 said:

It actually does matter. One is capable, the other isn’t. You can’t train what isn’t there. 

The other isn’t capable in your opinion? Not everyone’s opinion.   You might have wrote him off 2 games into a freshman season as not being able to defend but I’m guessing others will give it a little more time before makes that assumption.   Only Siths deal in absolutes 

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1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Didn’t say every white kid was. What I do know is when we have a white kid who plays hard this fanbase likes to act like he is IsiahThomas.

he was already getting beat off the dribble vs army. It will show up more and more. Love the kid, compared my own kid to him and the way he plays, fans acting like him playing more, taking X minutes, etc is needed - is a failed proposition. 

yes, CJ is longer, quicker, more bounce etc. he has traits needed to be a better defender and what we need against better teams. We have to get him on track. 
 

My opinion, nothing more - best lineup if everything was working right - X, CJ, Trey, MM then Ware. Cupps, Malik, Banks - 8 men most games. That is what we need to build to. Best defensive and offensive potential 

He needs to play more, but not by taking Xs mins. 

CJ isn't quicker. CJ is long, CJ is a better athlete overall.. he isn't quicker though. CJ Gunn hasn't shown he's any more than an athlete so far during his college career. 

Cupps is way closer to Yogi physically than Hulls, Coverdale, or Smith. 

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3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You think Cupps is comparable to Yogi …. Seriously - you are kind of proving my point. He won’t be Yogi any more than CJ will be MJ. 

Expect... he is, physically, which is literally what I said.  

You've stated wild opinions here. 

[Uspshoosier 45,686]

This website needs a blowout win Thursday 

 

[realTomCrean 1,540]

8 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You think Cupps is comparable to Yogi …. Seriously - you are kind of proving my point. He won’t be Yogi any more than CJ will be MJ. 

Yogi Freshman year: 7ppg, 4apg, 3rpg. 30% 3P%. 2 TO, 28mpg

 

Cupps (2games in): 5ppg, 2apg, 1rpg, 33% 3P%, 2 TO, 20MPG

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5 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

I mean this with respect and truly not trying to be a smart @$$, know it all. Seriously. Hard to convey that in text. 

Have you not seen the gushing this fanbase is doing over him?  Twitter has lost its mind over him. Yes, all those comparisons. Hundreds of fans saying to bench X for him. He is limited. Great kid and player but limited. 

It isn’t a weird thing to say at all when it is true. Give the Hoosier fans the Alford, Cupps, Hulls etc and he can do no wrong and can’t be real about his capability. X, well, we know what people say about him. Won’t repeat it. 

I have seen fans gush over him. I haven't seen anyone compare him to IT or even put him in the same stratosphere as IT. If you had said Alford (he was not a PG and I haven't seen that comparison, but whatever), Hulls, Coverdale, or a bunch of other guys I wouldn't have even said anything but you went all the way up to IT.

When teams are underperforming, fans always look to the bench and cry for some of them to get more PT and/or start. In football, that is often the QB position and for basketball it's often its version of the QB which is, of course, the PG.

Of of the reasons people like him is because he hustles. The team seems to be lacking some of that so far this year.

[Stuhoo 80,857]

10 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You think Cupps is comparable to Yogi …. Seriously - you are kind of proving my point. He won’t be Yogi any more than CJ will be MJ. 

None of the above. Cupps is not physically comparable to Yogi, Hulls, or Coverdale. 

An IU comp for Cupps? I'm not seeing a good one.

A B1G comp? Ronnie Lester, Bruce Douglas, Bryant McIntosh, Jamar Butler

[realTomCrean 1,540]

Just now, Ngw7183 said:

And? 

Edited text. Check again. Cupps/Yogi stats rather similar right now. 

 

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1 minute ago, Ngw7183 said:

He isn’t physically. What are you referring to? His weight? Cupps is slightly taller. But that ends it. I am same height and weight too but I don’t “compare physically” 

I'm dead, you compared him to Coverdale, but don't realize Yogi is a good comparison. 

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I dont care who the better athlete is, I'll take Cupps defense over CJ Gunn's every day of the week and twice on Sunday. 

Cupps is going to be an excellent Big Ten player over his career and a key player this season. 

Granted we haven't played the good teams yet, but at this point in terms of staying in front of his man and creating defensive havoc, I'm the least worried about Cupps. 

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1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Watch Twitter. It is dishonest to act like we don’t have a huge contention of this fanbase that is very slanted in their views. Not going to go deeper, you know what I mean. They don’t hide it. It applies here. 

The are setting this kid up to be something he isn’t. Bench X, Cupps is way better. Play him 40 min, etc.  I mean we have one of them here arguing he is capable of being Yogi rwhich is also not close to true. 

I know the fans want the bench guy. The hard working backup QB. Same as the fans who wanted Sam Elihnger/Minshew. over AR 2 games in. Doesn’t make it right thing that the team needs. That is what I am arguing. That these comparisons and expecting him to be something he can’t be need are not the solve. We have to get CJ going because Cupps will work hard but get blown by in many matchups because he cant physically hang.  
 

We can disagree on my assessment on his capacity but to act like I am making “crazy assertions” as some are saying is not true. These realities are plain to see and frustrating. Hate seeing X and MM get called the names they do while acting like Cupps can do no wrong and is already a better player.  

Meh and uggh.

Personally, I could give a rats @$$ what any hot take IU fan says about Cupps. EVERY fan base has dumb @$$ hot take fans.

I'm more interested in what Cupps is and can be. And I think he can be very good.

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4 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Watch Twitter. It is dishonest to act like we don’t have a huge contention of this fanbase that is very slanted in their views. Not going to go deeper, you know what I mean. They don’t hide it. It applies here. 

The are setting this kid up to be something he isn’t. Bench X, Cupps is way better. Play him 40 min, etc.  I mean we have one of them here arguing he is capable of being Yogi rwhich is also not close to true. 

I know the fans want the bench guy. The hard working backup QB. Same as the fans who wanted Sam Elihnger/Minshew. over AR 2 games in. Doesn’t make it right thing that the team needs. That is what I am arguing. That these comparisons and expecting him to be something he can’t be need are not the solve. We have to get CJ going because Cupps will work hard but get blown by in many matchups because he cant physically hang.  
 

We can disagree on my assessment on his capacity but to act like I am making “crazy assertions” as some are saying is not true. These realities are plain to see and frustrating. Hate seeing X and MM get called the names they do while acting like Cupps can do no wrong and is already a better player.  

It’s been two games so let things play out.  
 

Through two games Cupps has been more or who many thought he was.  MM has been pretty bad.  Cupps has been not just better than MM but has been much better.

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12 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Watch Twitter

I would rather get my eyes poked out then give 2 craps about what someone is saying on Twitter or any other social media platform for that matter 

[Golfman25 5,424]

31 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

There is an old saying in sports, while not absolute, is directionally true. You can’t teach speed. There is a max limit to what he can be. He doesn’t have the athleticism, fast twitch muscles.

That isn’t “writing him off” - it is not making him into something that isn’t possible. We need CJ tap into his potential or we are in trouble against better teams. Cupps can only work so hard. 

I am honestly surprised some can’t see it. Some of same issues with Malik and his limitations vs what MM could be. I have spoken to plenty of people with knowledge to know I am not alone in those assessments. But you have your opinion and that is fine.
 

Again, Woody keeps saying those 2. He knows they are the key. 

You absolutely are writing him off 2 games into the season.  Saying he can't defend Big10 guards, etc.  Well we play in the Big10.  So in your mind, we just recruited benchwarmer.  I'll let his games do the talking.    

[Golfman25 5,424]

17 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Watch Twitter. It is dishonest to act like we don’t have a huge contention of this fanbase that is very slanted in their views. 

Pot meet kettle.  

[str8baller 5,253]

12 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

I hope there's not a single person involved at IU that believes this. Missing a 68 team field when this staff's fingerprints are all over the roster would not be good.

If that happened I'd expect the staff to take a serious look at what they're doing and re-evaluate.

I’m separating construction with coaching from here on out. Going to the tourney with this squad is a solid job of coaching. Building this squad this summer…not so much.  
 

I’m guessing we share similar expectations, overall. With that said, the IU administration historically has not. Davis, Crean and Archie were all given long leashes both with rebuilding teams and failing to meet expectations. So I’d say “no, people in the IU administration do not share those same expectations.” 

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Just now, Ngw7183 said:

Number one place recruits post vids, interact with fans, media, etc. you can personally stay away but telling you what is being represented there. 

Until I see a kid publicly say I didn’t pick school X because of what some fans are saying on Twitter I won’t care what is being represented by nameless people on social media.    Fans don’t have that kind of power in my opinion.   

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9 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Do I miss remember or were you also not arguing for MM over Malik? So we align on that?
 

What I am saying on Cupps is team ceiling is way lower with him. Same as Malik vs MM at the 4. Our chance at a higher ceiling is getting CJ figured out because Cupps is limited. 

I think MM needs to get time at the 4. He clearly a college 4 and needs to be in that role. We're wasting his offensively by having him in the "Kopp stand in the corner role". 

On Cupps and Gunn we couldn't disagree more. Cupps has shown more in two games than Gunn has shown in 1 year and two games. It's not even close. 

Cupps has All-Conference potential. I'm don't want to write the kid off, but Gunn has massive, massive improvements to make. 

[Golfman25 5,424]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Until I see a kid publicly say I didn’t pick school X because of what some fans are saying on Twitter I won’t care what is being represented by nameless people on social media.    Fans don’t have that kind of power in my opinion.   

Come on man.  We all know it's the cheerleader uniforms why kids choose other schools.