HoosierTrav Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/1/2023 at 6:31 PM, btownqb said: What did Yogi do well offensively? Defensively? Gabe does those same things. You’re kidding right? Speed: Yogi Strength: Yogi Handle: Yogi (Rick Pitino abandoned full court pressure against Yogi…) Passing: Yogi Shooting/Scoring: Yogi the only aspect to Cupps game (and I LOVE Cupps) where he may be better is defensively and on the boards. Yogi was an underrated defender. Yogi Ferrell was a 5* McDonalds AA…. Top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history. Quote
Tasmanian Devil Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said: You’re kidding right? Speed: Yogi Strength: Yogi Handle: Yogi (Rick Pitino abandoned full court pressure against Yogi…) Passing: Yogi Shooting/Scoring: Yogi the only aspect to Cupps game (and I LOVE Cupps) where he may be better is defensively and on the boards. Yogi was an underrated defender. Yogi Ferrell was a 5* McDonalds AA…. Top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history. You’re leaving out maturity. Gabe is mentally ready and focused RIGHT NOW. Yogi - for all his 5* talent - never put it together until after the embarrassing Duke loss his Senior year. Had he played with that level of focus and maturity his sophomore and junior seasons, he could have had numbers no one could have ever touched. Jeff Flabjohns 1 Quote
Dave from Dayton Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said: You’re kidding right? Speed: Yogi Strength: Yogi Handle: Yogi (Rick Pitino abandoned full court pressure against Yogi…) Passing: Yogi Shooting/Scoring: Yogi the only aspect to Cupps game (and I LOVE Cupps) where he may be better is defensively and on the boards. Yogi was an underrated defender. Yogi Ferrell was a 5* McDonalds AA…. Top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history. Quinn Buckner does not approve that last statement. College Basketball Hall of Fame (Inducted: 2015) 1984 NBA Champion (Boston Celtics) 1982 NBA All-Defensive Second Team 1981 NBA All-Defensive Second Team 1980 NBA All-Defensive Second Team 1978 NBA All-Defensive Second Team 1976 NCAA Champion (Indiana Hoosiers) 1975 Third-team NABC All-American 1975 First-team All-Big Ten 1974 First-team All-Big Ten 1972 Illinois Mr. Basketball 1972 Mr. Basketball USA J34 1 Quote
CSP Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said: You’re kidding right? Speed: Yogi Strength: Yogi Handle: Yogi (Rick Pitino abandoned full court pressure against Yogi…) Passing: Yogi Shooting/Scoring: Yogi the only aspect to Cupps game (and I LOVE Cupps) where he may be better is defensively and on the boards. Yogi was an underrated defender. Yogi Ferrell was a 5* McDonalds AA…. Top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history. What am I kidding about? I understand how good Yogi is/was ...favorite Hoosier. Pitino won't be pressing us either. Passing, shooting, scoring are all pretty similar, which was my point. And the ways they score. Quote
Tasmanian Devil Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: What am I kidding about? I understand how good Yogi is/was ...favorite Hoosier. Pitino won't be pressing us either. Passing, shooting, scoring are all pretty similar, which was my point. And the ways they score. Gabe - right now - isn’t a knock-down 3-pt shooter. At least he hasn’t shown that in his game. Yogi, fwiw, wasn’t his freshman year, either. Quote
CSP Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said: Gabe - right now - isn’t a knock-down 3-pt shooter. At least he hasn’t shown that in his game. Yogi, fwiw, wasn’t his freshman year, either. I know. Cupps will struggle as a FR, at times. Yogi did as well. Yogi was put in a GREAT spot to succeed in HS and as a FR, very similar to GC. Tasmanian Devil 1 Quote
Tasmanian Devil Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: I know. Cupps will struggle as a FR, at times. Yogi did as well. Yogi was put in a GREAT spot to succeed in HS and as a FR, very similar to GC. At times during his sophomore/junior years, I’d get really frustrated with Yogi over his play. Problem for him was who he had as a coach. Ryno6284 1 Quote
Honkyman Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 9 hours ago, HoosierTrav said: Top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history. It is ridiculous to compare a high school player who has never participated in a college game with one of Indiana University's all time greats. Let Cupps play at IU for four years and then compare his career with Yogi Farrell's (though Yogi was a 4-year starter and Cupps is not likely to start his freshman year assuming Xavier Johnson returns). However, it is a bit of an exaggeration to assert that Yogi is one of the " top 2 PG in Indiana basketball history." The top is indisputably Isiah Thomas, who is one of the two or three greatest players to put on an Indiana uniform. Number 2 is clearly Quinn Buckner who led Indiana to two Final Fours, including one national championship. That doesn't include the near undefeated 1974-75 season when IU lost by two points in the Regional finals after Scott May had a broken arm. After Buckner there is Vernon Payne, who led the Hoosiers to a Big Ten title and IU's first NCAA berth since 1958. Payne never averaged less than 14 points a season but is usually overlooked because he played in the pre-Bobby Knight era. But Yogi is definitely near the top 2. CSP 1 Quote
CSP Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 No comparing players/skill sets on BTBers. Check mark Quote
HoosierTrav Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said: You’re leaving out maturity. Gabe is mentally ready and focused RIGHT NOW. Yogi - for all his 5* talent - never put it together until after the embarrassing Duke loss his Senior year. Had he played with that level of focus and maturity his sophomore and junior seasons, he could have had numbers no one could have ever touched. This is such a ridiculous take. Yogi came in and anchored the backcourt of the top team in the nation as a freshman. Awful take. sixseis, hper50 and Jeff Flabjohns 3 Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 Enough. I can't stand any more! Ryno6284, Dave from Dayton, mamasa and 4 others 1 6 Quote
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Tasmanian Devil Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierTrav said: This is such a ridiculous take. Yogi came in and anchored the backcourt of the top team in the nation as a freshman. Awful take. Believe what you want. As a freshman, Yogi had the core group of Hulls, Vic, Zeller et all that kept everyone together and focused on basketball. As a sophomore, Yogi was the leader - of having a good time. How does a team that has multiple 5*/4* players, McDonalds AA not even make the tournament? Does a FOCUSED leader allow an atmosphere that is devoid of accountability? You think Luke Fischer left after a semester because he was “homesick”? How is Hanner Perea getting arrested for DUI at 3am just hours after a game, right before the Purdue game? And don’t forget Yogi getting arrested trying to get into trying to get into Kilroys. The cop was gonna let him and Stan go until Yogi argued with him. You can never convince me all that happens under FOCUSED leadership. And, granted, a lot of the issue falls on Crean and his refusal to address issues within the program. But Yogi never became a true leader until after the Duke game. And that’s the truth. jonz44 1 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, HoosierTrav said: This is such a ridiculous take. Yogi came in and anchored the backcourt of the top team in the nation as a freshman. Awful take. 1 hour ago, Tasmanian Devil said: Believe what you want. As a freshman, Yogi had the core group of Hulls, Vic, Zeller et all that kept everyone together and focused on basketball. As a sophomore, Yogi was the leader - of having a good time. How does a team that has multiple 5*/4* players, McDonalds AA not even make the tournament? Does a FOCUSED leader allow an atmosphere that is devoid of accountability? You think Luke Fischer left after a semester because he was “homesick”? How is Hanner Perea getting arrested for DUI at 3am just hours after a game, right before the Purdue game? And don’t forget Yogi getting arrested trying to get into trying to get into Kilroys. The cop was gonna let him and Stan go until Yogi argued with him. You can never convince me all that happens under FOCUSED leadership. And, granted, a lot of the issue falls on Crean and his refusal to address issues within the program. But Yogi never became a true leader until after the Duke game. And that’s the truth. Yogi had the ability to lead (good or bad). He enjoyed the college life outside of basketball his sophomore and junior years while maturing. I'm hoping Cupps has the same ability but has his priorities set on becoming the best player he can be while dragging others along. CSP and Stuhoo 2 Quote
Tasmanian Devil Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said: Yogi had the ability to lead (good or bad). He enjoyed the college life outside of basketball his sophomore and junior years while maturing. I'm hoping Cupps has the same ability but has his priorities set on becoming the best player he can be while dragging others along. My point wasn’t in trying to dog on Yogi. He was an incredible talent for his size who, had he had a different head coach/culture around him, would have matured much sooner. Gabe doesn’t have nearly the same physical tools Ferrell has. But his approach at the same age is so much different than Yogi’s was. Which is why I believe he is going to have a great freshman season. Quote
HoosierAloha Posted April 3, 2023 Posted April 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said: My point wasn’t in trying to dog on Yogi. He was an incredible talent for his size who, had he had a different head coach/culture around him, would have matured much sooner. Gabe doesn’t have nearly the same physical tools Ferrell has. But his approach at the same age is so much different than Yogi’s was. Which is why I believe he is going to have a great freshman season. I didn't think you were dogging Yogi. I believe this gets lost in many conversations on here when we talk about weaknesses (or areas for improvement if we're going the super positive route). Yogi was fantastic at IU, he could have been better (we can all be better), but eventually figured it out that led to some team success while he was the leader. Yogi had something few players have had at IU - elite speed and quickness. He did dribble, pass, shoot, and defend too. Rico, HoosierHoopster, FortWayneHoosier and 2 others 4 1 Quote
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Tasmanian Devil Posted April 4, 2023 Posted April 4, 2023 https://www.instagram.com/p/CqlFUpls9AN/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Nice Instagram post by Elks Bssketball on Cupps. ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
LamarCheeks Posted April 4, 2023 Posted April 4, 2023 BTW -- X is not back quite yet. He said on the podcast he hasn't heard about his waiver yet. False advertising or folks jumped to conclusions, I guess. lillurk and ALASKA HOOSIER 2 Quote
CSP Posted April 4, 2023 Posted April 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said: https://www.instagram.com/p/CqlFUpls9AN/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Nice Instagram post by Elks Bssketball on Cupps. Impressed by the work his done in weight room the last 365 days. It's evident, even with his long arms. ALASKA HOOSIER, Hoosierfanyuh and Tasmanian Devil 3 Quote
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