IUBB vs Michigan - Sunday, 3/5/23 @ 4:30 on CBS

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

My point is that by the END of the year Michigan is far better. McDaniel was supposed to be a ten minute player and was thrust into 35 per game. Since the game has started to slow down for him and Tarris Reed they have been a much better team.

Michigan finished 2nd in Net efficiency in the B1G.    Wisky finished 11th.    

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Michigan finished 2nd in Net efficiency in the B1G.    Wisky finished 11th.    

I will just add the Wisky plays a style that makes almost every game they play no matter the talent level a close game.    They have played over 16 games that were 5 points or less.     My guess is if you went to a Michigan board their fans are pulling their hair out because almost every loss of theirs was 1 or 2 possessions.  Michigan is a classic example of a tournament quality team that just doesn’t have enough wins to make it at an at-large right now.  If they do get in they  will be dangerous just like they were last year.   They were an 11 seed last year and made the sweet 16.   

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Michigan finished 2nd in Net efficiency in the B1G.    Wisky finished 11th.    

That too.

Juwan Howard gets a bad rap around these parts. I kinda like him as a coach (*ducks for cover*)

Because he’s feisty! I like feisty.

Gard on the other hand, is a turd. I can’t stand turds.

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

It’s really not true that Michigan is “markedly” better than Wisconsin and OSU—especially Wisconsin. Wisconsin had a horrible stretch in conf that killed their tourney hopes. Michigan had a bad pre-conf that may keep them out.  Wisconsin still beat Marquette and USC and took Kansas to overtime. 
 

By most objective measures that beating we put on Wisconsin is better than squeaking by Michigan.   
 

(otoh, Wisconsin fits my matchup theory that we definitely want to play good defensive teams that can’t score. They are like the mirror opposite of Iowa…. Coincidently whom Wisconsin swept this year).

We don't have the wing defenders or scheme to lock down a team that gets hot from deep or athletic enough that can drive or cut.

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

That too.

Juwan Howard gets a bad rap around these parts. I kinda like him as a coach (*ducks for cover*)

I still don’t like him but Michigan is a tourney team that just doesn’t have enough wins to get in as of now 

[Hovadipo]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

That too.

Juwan Howard gets a bad rap around these parts. I kinda like him as a coach (*ducks for cover*)

*throws open-handed slap*

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

*throws open-handed slap*

Well now, that’s why I was ducking for cover!

[HoosierAloha]

This was the first time in 18 games TJD didn't lead the team in rebounds. Crazy stat

Only two different leading scorers (TJD, JHS) in the final 18 Big 1.o games for IU. Three different assist leaders (TJD, JHS, Gallo)

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

I will just add the Wisky plays a style that makes almost every game they play no matter the talent level a close game.    They have played over 16 games that were 5 points or less.     My guess is if you went to a Michigan board their fans are pulling their hair out because almost every loss of theirs was 1 or 2 possessions.  Michigan is a classic example of a tournament quality team that just doesn’t have enough wins to make it at an at-large right now.  If they do get in they  will be dangerous just like they were last year.   They were an 11 seed last year and made the sweet 16.   

UM is probably in that growth sequence- 

lose close, next year

Win close, next (if the pieces are still there)

Win big

 

[lillurk]

20 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

UM is probably in that growth sequence- 

lose close, next year

Win close, next (if the pieces are still there)

Win big

 

Surely they’ll hope so. Their concern is they’re likely to lose Jett and Bufkin to the draft and already lack depth.

[HoosierHoopster]

Just now, lillurk said:

Surely they’ll hope so. Their concern is they’re likely to lose Jett and Bufkin to the draft and already lack depth.

Yeah, certainly can matter who stays and goes, but i’m not sure they’d be better if Jett were to return 

[lillurk]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yeah, certainly can matter who stays and goes, but i’m not sure they’d be better if Jett were to return 

Agreed, he’s in a similar boat to Caleb Houstan last year: 1-and-done who didn’t meet expectations. If the best thing about frosh is they become sophs, it can be a bummer when they’re gone by then. Sometimes, as with JHS, it’s worth it because they actually help you win 

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[str8baller]

11 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

My point is that by the END of the year Michigan is far better. McDaniel was supposed to be a ten minute player and was thrust into 35 per game. Since the game has started to slow down for him and Tarris Reed they have been a much better team.

An interesting theory, but it’s not really backed up by much statistically that I can see. Michigan is 6-4 in Feb (including a loss to Wisconsin). 6-4 is pretty close to their overall record. 
 

On that same note, Wisconsin was much better earlier in the year when we played them. I don’t have a Kenpom subscription so maybe someone can look it up, but I’d bet that Wisconsin’s efficiency rating on the day we played then was effectively equal to our better Michigan’s prior to Sunday’s game.    
 

We are finding ways to win which I’m happy about. But it is undeniable that we’ve slipped in efficiency ratings this last six game stretch of .500 ball. That’s even after calculating for the ridiculously hard SoS of that run.  There’s a reason for that. 

[Rico]

14 hours ago, ebridges24 said:

That's the asterisk that will be associated with this championship for the Boilers. They won, but we swept them.

Do we have an asterisk with our '81 Big Ten championship?  We got swept by Iowa.

[Rico]

10 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yeah, certainly can matter who stays and goes, but i’m not sure they’d be better if Jett were to return 

Per USA Today:

DRAFT AGE: 19.8

STATS: 14.4 ppg (36.9 3p%, 50.0 2p%), 2.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 stl%, 2.3 blk%

Michigan’s Jett Howard is an enticing shooter who can score with the best of them. He dropped 34 points (14-22 FG, 7-13 3P) against Iowa in January, which solidified his case as a one-and-done candidate.

Howard, who is dealing with an ankle injury, has struggled on the defensive end of the floor. This may be why Michigan has generally performed better when he sits relative to when he plays.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

42 minutes ago, Rico said:

Per USA Today:

DRAFT AGE: 19.8

STATS: 14.4 ppg (36.9 3p%, 50.0 2p%), 2.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 stl%, 2.3 blk%

Michigan’s Jett Howard is an enticing shooter who can score with the best of them. He dropped 34 points (14-22 FG, 7-13 3P) against Iowa in January, which solidified his case as a one-and-done candidate.

Howard, who is dealing with an ankle injury, has struggled on the defensive end of the floor. This may be why Michigan has generally performed better when he sits relative to when he plays.

acknowledging they are better without him.  LOL.  What a great draft synopsis.  

[Rico]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

acknowledging they are better without him.  LOL.  What a great draft synopsis.  

Many Michigan fans feel the same way.

[Hoosierfan1901]

13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

acknowledging they are better without him.  LOL.  What a great draft synopsis.  

A lot of Michigan fans think he hogs the ball the ball a lot

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

A lot of Michigan fans think he hogs the ball the ball a lot

He's definitely ball dominant. Strong offensive player for sure, but yeah I think UM could be better off next season without him.